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150 sats \ 17 replies \ @benthecarman 11h \ on: Why LND is taking much longer to implement BOLT12? lightning
They basically stopped working on new features besides Taproot assets. They haven't even finished migrating off of bolt db that they've been working on for years.
Do you run another LN implementation like CLN?
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I wouldnt recommend cln, I've had a lot of issues with it in the past
Ldk is being deployed in a lot of new things these days, and what I'd recommend.
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what kinds of issues did you have with CLN? the routing algo problems got fixed last year thanks to feedback from Michael at boltz
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We had issues where it went down for multiple days, would lose on chain funds, and it being in C makes it really hard to debug anything.
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You know, it always felt like the mutiny team was suffering in silence or something it was a really weird dynamic that im still not sure what to make of. no one on the cln team had any idea yall were struggling. i mean yall even lived in the same town as me and i don’t ever remember getting a message asking for help with an issue but maybe my memory fails me. i do remember the occasional outbursts on twitter tho
anyway sorry it failed you so hard. I get how C is challenging i had to learn it to work on CLN. it’s definitely its own unique beast with pretty niche errors etc.
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I don't blame anyone. We definitely didn't handle it the best. At the time the CLN team had limited resources because you were on sabbatical and rusty was working on GSR.
We would normally post issues in the discord and often not get replies for days which is where a lot of frustration came.
Really I think most of our frustration stemmed from any cln issue was that it always 2 fold for us, one it'd look bad to our users and we'd also then have to go bother the voltage team for assistance. And for a lot of it we just felt powerless.
However I know we're not totally crazy, I've seen multiple companies try cln and move off it for various reasons
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No, CLN was just used for the voltage lsp
I didn't understand how thos eextensions work, how to activate them, how to setup runes to connect to RTL. I found it very complicated and the documentation very confusing, maybe I am too used to LND and don't want to put the effort to learn CLN.
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I see, do you use some fee management for LND? I used to like charge-LND but it seems dead on github. Now using litd, but it seems so fiat and a loss of privacy having to connect to lightning labs server, I may turn it off soon. LNDg I tried but very heavy on my hardware.
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Oh I see
What I miss the most on LND is something like lightning terminal but on the server, not having to connect to lightning labs servers.
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Lightning.Pub, LND dashboard that connects over Nostr... the dashboard is in ShockWallet but in a very barebones state
Lightning.Pub is the CLINK reference server
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I was trying CLN those days, but very complicated for my skills. Then LND has a lot of documentaitons guides, videos etc and I've been using it since 2021, so I may just keep using it. I must try LDK and those other solutions.
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