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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 17h \ parent \ on: Two Questions for Lightning Experts lightning

Horse hockey

Thanks, I did not know this word. You're saying it's deceitful to say that only nodes that can route payments matter for reliability?

Does it not matter for reliability to have nodes that can route payments?

If people cannot reliably receive payments they have no incentive to use it, unidirectional usage creates a number of sustainability problems.

I was talking about this claim:

proposals to remove the justice tx are an attack on LN themselves, by removing the onlineness incentive and therefore undermining reliability for the network as a whole

Why are you now talking about unidirectional usage / missing inbound liquidity as a reason for failed payments? What does this have to do with what I said?

You're hung up on routing nodes when there is no such thing

A routing node is any node between sender and receiver. That's definitely a thing. More broadly, you could say a node is a routing node if that's its primary purpose. I'm pretty sure that's also a thing.

You're saying you want less nodes.

I literally said I would run a routing node if there was less risk

I was vindicated on my years of mobile node fud the second they pivoted to Phoenixd

They didn't pivot. They have no intentions of abandoning the mobile wallet.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 17h

You're saying it's deceitful to say that only nodes that can route payments matter for reliability?

Routing is a function of a receiver being online to receive what's routed.

Does it not matter for reliability to have nodes that can route payments?

Is this a serious question?

removing the onlineness incentive

What does this have to do with what I said?

I'm not sure wtf you're talking about at all... if nodes are offline that's bad for reliability. How hard is this?

I literally said I would run a routing node if there was less risk

Less risk of what? shooting yourself in the foot or someone else shooting you?

The fact you keep using the phrase routing node inclines me to think you shouldn't be running one.

They didn't pivot. They have no intentions of abandoning the mobile wallet.

Absolutely did, pivot doesn't mean abandoning old customers, in means looking for new ones.... because mobile is a dead end and can never work commercially or at scale.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 17h

Routing is a function of a receiver being online to receive what's routed.

There's no routing if I have a direct channel

I won't reply to the other stuff, I see no point in continuing this discussion

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 17h

You're the one that keeps talking about routing, not me. Good luck with your direct channel if your peer is offline.

I see no point in continuing this discussion

Lightning 101 is down the hall.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 17h

My peer did send me an invoice to pay them. They will be online.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 17h

They will be online.

Guess you won't try to cheat them by publishing an old state then.