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You'll still need a dev team. Don't find that out when you have a production app and you lose everything.
I'd say that it allows you to prototype ideas, but not real products and not market fit, because the slop is real.
So your process will look different, but so will everyone else's. Competition be fierce. Expect scraps
I don't think AI replaces expertise - it just compresses the cost and time to get to first proof. Most AI-built MVPs are messy. The key shift is: you can now test your vision faster than ever before.
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Most AI-built MVPs are messy.
It is if you don't know what you're doing, so you need a pro for your MVP, probably at least 2. However, we'd normally want a couple more. So you still need capital for that stage, and your demo will be a throwaway, but I agree that there's much more flexibility and potentially some cost savings.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @lunin OP 7 Aug
It is if you don't know what you're doing, so you need a pro for your MVP, probably at least 2. However, we'd normally want a couple more. So you still need capital for that stage, and your demo will be a throwaway, but I agree that there's much more flexibility and potentially some cost savings.
Well, at least some will refuse to develop their own junk, others will think about hiring a specialist, others will start learning themselves and achieving results — in my opinion, all this is already not bad!
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The danger is in the advertisement when someone sloppy-vibes a "product" together. Unless it's open source (it takes extraordinary unselfish attitude and at least a decade of runway to open-source a truly novel idea) and we can judge for ourselves if it is slop, the risk is real. Especially in the bitcoin space where we are currently seeing slop product after slop product fail, and we've only just started.
Therefore, I think that the proliferation of LLMs as vibe coding tools is much more powerful as a personal toolset development strategy than a product development strategy, but time will have to tell if I'm right about this.
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105 sats \ 3 replies \ @OT 6 Aug
How long do you think the slop will be around for? Like, will the next gen produce perfectly executed code without getting lost or being overly complex?
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It'll be around forever, because slop isn't a function of quality, it's a function of scarcity/abundance.
In the hands of a somewhat creative but skilled developer, you can create really good code with "dated" models from perhaps even 2 generations back (i.e. from December last year)
In the hands of a no-coder, you have 99.99% chance to get slop now, to get slop next year and in 200 years from now, you will likely get slop. Maybe 1:10000 will get lucky? That's the gain here, because bottom line a bad idea is a bad idea is a bad idea.
The bar for non-slop rises symmetrically to the common output of available tools1

Footnotes

  1. Can we name this the law of optimism? please? please? please? <please sir emoji>
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105 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 6 Aug
So vibe coding isn't really about getting normal people to build stuff. You still need to know a few things about coding or architecture to have a chance at making a successful product?
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Yes. Everything else is boilerplating, and that's an anti-pattern on its own.
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