Great conversation, lot of standard stuff we talk about here on SN in the beginning of the pod.
Really gets interesting towards the end of the pod around 41:00 when they discuss the Antichrist.
Thiel bravely shows his hand and Douthat actually challenges him and calls him out.
Thiel version of the Antichrist is basically the book Childhoods End by Arthur C Clarke. At least that was my interpretation of his explanation of it.
This is what great interviews use to be, bring back the 2000’s era iconoclasm debates of ideas enough of shilling a culture of populism.