I wouldn't mind listening to Joakim Book, he was pretty good in another podcast I listened to, and I know Joe does carnivore occasionally too. I used to like Saylor, but he's starting to sound more and more like Tony Robbins IMO. Seems like he's just trying to sell people on bitcoin instead of talking fundamentals. Lyn is always a pleasure to listen to, and I think she's smart enough to explain all of these things to a somone like Rogan.