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Fun variation on this thought experiment. Although, I thought we didn't expect bitcoin to ever use more than a minority of energy given that it's so competitive and therefore efficiency seeking.
I only need to poke a hole in argument 1 to put a flaw in Elon Musk’s question, “Games are getting better, allowing billions of simulations (given enough time), then the chance we are not in a simulation is 1 in billions. Where is the flaw in the logic?”
My response – Why assume there is enough energy to sustain billions of worlds “nesting” each other?
There is no evidence that our reality has limitless quantities of energy to create a computer simulation, and for the beings inside our created simulation to create their own simulation – using our energy! That can’t cascade indefinitely if energy is limited.
Let’s assume that energy is being conserved by the Simulation “computer”. This might be achieved by not calculating the positions of every single atom in all the stars of all the galaxies throughout the entire universe, but instead averaging it out with wave functions, and presenting a blob of light to our eyes if we look. The nature of our reality seems to be behaving this way, as discussed.
Now, consider the enormous amounts of energy Bitcoin consumes, and the increases that will be happening in the future. This energy expended by miners hashing is also energy expended by the simulation computer.
What if this work, which can’t be dodged, is draining energy from the simulation computer? What would happen? As the machine begins to fail, what might we see? Perhaps all the NPCs (non-player characters, ie not real people but simulated) in the world will start behaving more and more the same (to conserve energy), or maybe many NPCs might be killed off to preserve energy and computation? Do I have to remind you of the insanity we saw during COVID? During this time, after observing collective human behaviour, I began wondering if these were real people.
I find it very strange to try and use the physics of our universe to explain anything about whether or not we're in a simulation.
If we're in a simulation, why should we presume that any of the laws of conservation of energy or probability would apply to the reality outside our simulation?
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Even if conservation of energy is a thing in the layer above us, there's no reason to suppose their energy limit is even remotely being taxed by their simulations.
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I think the theory sort of invites that comparison by starting with "if our simulators were at all like us ..." He accounts for it some by suggesting our energy is conserved likely because it's limited outside. But I agree with you, all bets are off. For all we know, we are all ants on a string in terms of relative complexity.
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Simulation idea is utterly stupid. There are 10^80 atoms in the known universe, and a decay of a single one can kill a cat, so all of them, plus multitude of other particles and their interactions must be simulated. Because looking from outside there is no way to tell which are important and which can be fudged. So bitcoin's hashes are a drop in the ocean.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hodl117 27 May
Agreed, and on top of all surface level interactions, every atom in the universe affects every other atom in the universe by their gravitational forces on each other, so that's a base number of 10^80*10^80 interactions simultaneously (Metcalfe's Law).
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That being said, I am a big fan of Wolfram Physics, were base reality is a computation...
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