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As the United States approaches its 250th anniversary (1776–2026), it fits the historical lifespan of many empires (200–300 years). With endless wars, debt, cultural decay, and de-dollarization, are we witnessing the final phase?
It’s collapsing51.4%
Don't care14.3%
Maybe, depends on Bitcoin adoption14.3%
No, still strong20.0%
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How can USA be collapsing when we got most of the bitcoin? πŸ˜†
No one is running out to buy Chinese debt, Russian, debt, Brazilian debt,.
No one is willing to risk it all to immigrate into Russia or China.
America is still pumping out construction and infrastructure across the nation.
Wars lost? They were controlled conflicts at best. If America was at total war nukes would be used.
This idea that America is a failing empire due to fiat games that been played (which every single nation followed along with) is laughable!
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Blok comes in swingin'!
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Bitcoin is a speculative commodity plaything already largely captured by US banks and speculators - it is not a nation state organ of strategic significance...unlike fiat which enables the nation state to leverage all citizens savings and in the case of a global reserve to rentseek from all other nations.
Bitcoin is not even practical to use as a legal MoE in the US and other western 'liberal democracies' given the absurd tax compliance obstruction that has been imposed. And elsewhere in autocracies like Turkey, Thailand and China use of Bitcoin as a MoE is outright banned.
Bitcoin is very unlikely to replace the USD/SWIFT as the dominant currency/protocol of international trade- mBridge however has been designed and developed and is positioned to provision an alternative to the USD/SWIFT legacy monetary hegemony.
The Saudis have already signed up. Petrodollar hegemony is about to collapse.
USA cannot function without Chinese supply chains- Trumps Bluff and Bluster has already been and will continue to be exposed as the desperation of a leader of an empire in decline.
Putin ignores him, Xi rejects his attempts to bully China- Trump is a convicted criminal, multiple bankrupt, Bully and a LOSER.
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Dude you say this on a site that costs a tiny fraction of Bitcoin to post. Why don’t you spew this nonsense on twitter or reddit when you can post for free
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Not sure what your point is except that you appear incapable of addressing. let alone credibly refuting, anything I have said. Please address the facts and issues raised or admit, by default, that you are a troll incapable of reasoned debate.
If your point is regarding the sly but very effective obstruction of Bitcoin in all western 'liberal democracies' then I would ask you do you comply with your tax obligations when zapping on here? Because I very much doubt you or anyone else does. Perhaps you are not even aware that to zap a comment here you will be breaching the tax laws of most liberal western democracies if you fail to record that zap and account for any change in value relative to fiat to when you first gained custody of the sats used for that zap and then subsequently pay tax on any capital gains.
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Because it’s clear you have a China bias. You never mention anything negative about the country. Everything you post is USA bad China good and I refuse to engage in real dialogue when you never acknowledge the weaknesses and abuses the CCP forces on its citizens.
The Chinese have been lying stealing and cheating for years!!! Why don’t you think Facebook and Uber arent allowed to operate there?! They steal IP and they never let their population get wealthy.
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I have absolutely zero bias regarding China. I am simply speaking of the facts as they are, as opposed to as you (or I) might wish them to be. Dealing with reality is not biased. Avoiding and evading reality is. I do not argue the Chinese have not plundered western intellectual capital for decades- and very successfully. Nor do I argue that on its rise 'the west' was any more principled or compliant with the dictates of previous empires. Look at history and Britains seizing and plundering of India and many many other nations- look at The Opium Wars!, and look at Americas establishment upon the murder of indigenous Americans and subsequent hegemony over the 'Banana Republics'. Rising Empires are bold and confident and ignore the property rights of legacy holders- this is how they rise! You, like Trump, are just a sore loser and cannot deal with what is happening and I have some sympathy for that, but it is a biased and tragic head in the sand position to take and does not protect or preserve your best interests- it endangers them. I too live in a western liberal democracy and my position is also potentially substantially undermined by what is trending - but denying what is happening never prevented history from following its course.
Have you seen the poll results? Have you refuted ANY of the 'nonsense' you allege I 'spew'??? No. Never. Zip. Zilch. YOU ARE IN DENIAL OF THE FACTS and the REALITY.
I'm not here to humour you with what you want to hear but to challenge you with what you and your biases cannot refute.
Go on refute the facts and issues I have raised, instead of trying to shoot the messenger- but you cannot.
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Send me some yuan then!
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Is the US Empire in its Decline Phase?
No, still strong 20.0% Don't care 14.3% Maybe, depends on Bitcoin adoption 14.3% It’s collapsing 51.4%
Lol yep
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Interesting, I believe this is how a high percentage of the gringos think. But as Lyn Alden says "Nothing stops this train"
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It’s not about thinking. That is how the modern system works. Why you can go anywhere in the world and spend a dollar and no one wants a Chinese yuan!
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With all the Greenland and Canada talk, I'm wondering if we're about to launch into the overextended phase of empire.
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Interesting idea. Renaming the Gulf of America was phase one
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Its been over extended since 1971, that much is clear. Has not won a war since...when? $37T debt and $8T to refinance before Christmas with interest rates having doubled since 2022 and nobody wants USTs anymore. Chinas mBridge is standing by, ready to displace that fundamental US strategic asset - the Petrodollar- Saudis have signed up for mBridge and yet US Exceptionalists still bury their heads in the sand and see Trump as the saviour. Trump at least can see the game is up and is doing what he can to forestall foreclosure, but the clock is ticking on that debt bomb because ~ China has already won the trade war.
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And Israel also sees it (no shit), trying to expand at the expense of US. taxpayers. Big nose is milking the cow.
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Blah blah blah!!
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US Exceptionalists still bury their heads in the sand ~ but have no credible reasoned response to reality of US empire decline.
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I’ll believe in the decline the day JP Morgan and the Bank of England load up on Chinese paper!
Say that out loud and you will realize how silly that sounds
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Western fund managers have been desperate to get in to the Chinese capital markets- Blackrock took a massive hit in the Evergrande debacle. https://www.asiamarkets.com/evergrande-downgrade-forces-blackrock-and-other-institutions-to-write-off-billions/ The Chinese have played the wests crony capitalists and won the trade war. The transition toward Chinese dominated capital markets has already begun because the Chinese economy is the most productive fastest growing strongest economy in the world. This transition will be different to that which occurred when Britain handed hegemony over to the USA- the Jewish bankers who have controlled western banking for centuries will not be in control any longer. How China operates will be probably be qualitatively different in character to how the Jewish bankers has controlled monetary systems for centuries. What is silly is that you think USA can continue operating a massive and chronic trade and fiscal deficit much longer- it cannot. Trumps actions acknowledge this. Any basic understanding of debt servicing capabilities and US dependency upon USD seiniorage and the tipping point where hegemony flips very rapidly into insolvency understands US empire is facing imminent crisis. The $8 Trillion in USTs that need to be rolled over before Christmas is the immediate concern- interest rates are double what they were 3 years ago. Longer term there is no apparent way the decline can be turned around. China has won the trade war and most other functions of empire flow from operating a trade surplus and having increasing capacity to project power- which China has, while US capacity and viability to project power is in obvious decline.
America is in its 250th anniversary but not as an empire. Its dominance as the world superpower is relatively more recent
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Good point. Dating the empire is tough. In a sense, the Civil War is a reasonable place, because that's when the central government took supremacy over the states: i.e. what had been a collection of sovereign societies, became a bunch of conquered ones.
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It's a tough call to say. Every empire has it's day, and nothing lasts. The US reserve currency certinaly had its run. From what I've listened to, it was never to extend for this long after world war 2. Bitcoin is surly shaking things up though and I'm glad to have another option to opt out into.
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You think you can jump ship into Bitcoin? Maybe you can in a narrow sense of preserving some liquid capital outside of state control but more broadly the changes US decline and Chinas rise are likely to result in are not so easily avoided. Bitcoin is very unlikely to be the new global monetary standard- it may be one that operates on the margins at best. China dominates global trade and is most likely to dominate the global monetary system- even if in a different fashion to how the Jewish bankers lurking behind western powers have done for centuries.
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You have a point, but we can't be hopeless! There is a universe where hyperbitcoinization occurs; we just have to navigate the right path through the maze. I'm a firm believer that there is a set of choices we, as a community, can make to guarantee Bitcoin's massive adoption, turning it into the global monetary standard.
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Agree it is not impossible, although sadly most people value 'convenience' over freedom, which makes it unlikely.
Similar to Linux which you can still use it if you choose to ~ despite the vast majority of sheople having been successfully herded and corralled into using shitware corporate state surveillance operating systems like Microsoft and Apple.
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The fall of the New Rome
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It fully depends on the Millennials and Zoomers...
America is stuck in a new game playing by old rules. What I mean by this is we are using a Boomer/Gen X playbook for a world that looks completely different.
If we continue to use this playbook, the wealth gap will continue to widen, which is upstream of most other issues we face.
The only way to stop this collapse is for the young(er) citizens to make a change. You have to pray that the subgroup of hyper-motivated individuals in these generations do not burn out or get stomped out before they can make the needed changes.
If this happens, they will take their productive capabilities and leave America (we are seeing this now).
There is so much potential for America, but the cards are stacked against the people who can fix it.
I refuse to lose hope and believe America will continue to thrive for generations to come.
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US empire collapse does not mean the end of USA as a relatively wealthy nation. If played correctly it could mean retrenching into the role of a regional power which is exactly what Trumps moves so far look like...becoming a regional hegemony across the Americas stretching from Latin America to Greenland. China will increase its sphere of influence across Africa, Middle East, Asia and elsewhere. Russia and Iran are already dependent upon Chinese trade and Chinese trade payments provision. Europe will fend for itself and be increasingly dependent upon China. All nations are now reliant upon Chinese supply chains. China has won the trade war but US can salvage some of its declining position and this appears to be Trumps strategy. Just as the UK preserved some of its wealth and power as its decline occurred it is not impossible for the USA to do the same or similar. Trumps 'crypto' policies could be seen as analogous to Britains use of offshore tax havens to preserve wealth advantage ~ at least for wealthy Brits.
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William Bolitho.
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The US is 100% in a decline phase, but so are, many countries. Many of the EU ones , UK for sure and then you have other countries that have just been shit for, seemingly, ever.
A bit like how the dollar is shit, but it's still the least shit of the fiats.
I blame most of this on fiat, because abusing the money printer is what keeps problems going and gives the state power to wage war and fund socialist policies.
Comparing the fall to Rome is a bit incorrect though, because the (Eastern ) Byzantine Empire alone was in decline for like, 1000 years.
Instead of a fall, we have everything sucking a bit more and people having to live in their cars in now a normal thing because it's literally too expensive to live for may people.
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Personally I think we are seeing or pointed out to see the descent through the slope. πŸ“‰
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