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Is it "yours" though? I think this is the crux of the issue and the reason why I refer to this as a people excellence vs product excellence kind of thing.

Yes, the repository is, quite literally, our workplace. We encourage other people to also make it their workplace. We are happy for people to follow along or constructively contribute, but people that don’t work there are guests. We expect some minimum decorum from our guests. We handle disagreement well, and disagree among each other often enough, but someone standing in your office repeatedly shouting crackerbarrel talking points at you without making an effort to understand their discussion partners’ view points doesn’t cut it.

However, the privilege of writing a comment on a pull request seems to be taken away from some people now; to my knowledge this happened twice or thrice this month on higher profile people, including a former maintainer?

I’m not sure who you mean when referring to a former maintainer. I’m aware of ariard getting banned recently, and BitcoinMechanic being banned for a day to cool off. I support the former moderation action and the latter seems perhaps a tad heavyhanded, but 24h pass quickly.

[…]is this truly the noise that needs to be filtered for the greater good of Bitcoin? Or is this for the greater good of the maintainers?

I don’t think anyone is making claims about the moderation being for the benefit of Bitcoin, IMHO the moderation is for the benefit of all participants in that pull request. Collapsing repetitive and vacuous comments improves the signal ratio of the discussion and makes it easier for people to catch up to the content of the discussion.

I'd beg everyone involved to harden their skin in times of controversy, not engage in ad-hominem, but also not fight fire with fire in that regard: silencing people, especially former colleagues that didn't leave but were removed, carries across a bad vibe to the public. Perhaps, in an effort to find a middle ground, the moderation rules can be made much more explicit and reduced in scope?

IMHO, Bitcoin Core contributors generally have tough skin, and most don’t seem to have trouble sticking to "criticizing ideas instead of people". Working in public can be rough and frequently being wrong in public is humbling. That doesn’t mean that we need to subject ourselves to gratuitous abuse, or that it should be required for us to read dozens of crackerbarrel quality comments on every controversial topic to keep abreast of discussions.