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Applying the Buffett strategy to Predyx
I know, I know. Warren Buffett is a much maligned character in the Bitcoin space for all the uneducated and negative things he has said about Bitcoin. That doesn't mean we can't study and emulate his investing style to turn our degeneracy into "thoughtful degeneracy" on Predyx.
If you have not heard of Predyx, it is a sats denominated, lightning integrated, prediction market made by our friends and fellow stackers @mega_dreamer and @emre. If you haven't checked it out yet, give it a whirl https://beta.predyx.com/
From Cigar Butts to Quality at a Fair Price
Early in his career Warren Buffett was well know as a deep value investor. Following the playbook of his former professor, Benjamin Graham, he sought to find stocks he deemed deeply undervalued based on their fundamentals (book value, earnings per share etc) as compared to their current trading price. Part of the strategy included Cigar Butt investing, which is seeking to invest in companies that are struggling and may go out of business (getting the last puffs off the cigar butt) but are trading at very low prices. Many of these companies would trade at prices below the book value of the assets they owned. To explain this simply, imagine Microstrategy was valued at 20B in terms of market cap but their Bitcoin holdings, net of debt, were worth 40B.
After partnering with Charlie Munger, another Bitcoin enemy, Buffett began to change his investing style and think longer term. He had done well with deep value investing but Charlie convinced him to focus more on Quality companies with consistent growth potential and to buy them at a Fair Price. Now granted "fair" is a very subjective word, but Buffett used a number of fundamental analysis (earnings growth, return on equity, debt/equity, price to earnings etc) metrics to determine what he deemed "fair" or even "undervalued". This strategy allowed him to make long term (multi decade) bets on persistent high quality businesses that through the magic of compounding provided massive returns.
He supercharged this strategy by purchasing insurance companies that carried a lot of float (money collected from policyholders that has yet to be paid out) which provided huge amounts of cash that needed to be invested.
So, if we were to apply either Deep Value (Cigar Butt) investing strategies or the Quality at a Fair price to our Predyx betting, would it work? and what would it look like?
Finding Cigar Butts on Predyx
While is it certainly possible to find deeply under valued outcomes on Predyx, I don't think hunting for them is a good strategy or worth your time. Sure, you can probably find a lot of outcomes that are trading below their true market odds but Predyx does not have enough users or liquidity to make this a viable strategy. You may find an outcome that is trading at only a 2% probability but market odds suggest it should be 10%. Great, but if no other users are trying to exploit this mispricing, you will just be sitting with a lot of undervalued shares that are highly unlikely to be the final outcome. I do think it is feasible to find more likely outcomes that are underpriced and make allocations to them even though they aren't the most favoured outcome but I consider that buying quality not searching for cigar butts. So while possible, I wouldn't recommend the Cigar Butt strategy on Predyx.
Quality at a Fair Price on Predyx
Quality at a fair price on the other hand, in my opinion, is a great strategy to use to inform your bets on Predyx. Seeking out probable or reasonably possible outcomes that are trading at or below their comparative market odds leaves you a lot of room for profit potential if your outcome hits or if its price gets bid up by other users who think it will hit or feel they are under allocated to it. (As a side note, to determine if an outcome probability is fair, overvalued or undervalued compare it to how it is trading on traditional betting markets or more liquid prediction markets. You can use an odds probability calculator to convert moneyline odds from betting markets into a probability).
You will find the best opportunities for Quality at a Fair price in longer term multi option markets where you can add to probable outcome positions when you feel they are good value. I am mostly focused on the sports markets, so I find it best to execute this strategy in the championship futures markets. You can take positions in the teams most likely to win the championship early on and then add and subtract from your position as the season and playoffs play out.
The idea is fairly simply. Over the course of the MLB season I would rather methodically add to a position in a team like the Dodgers, who are likely to be competing for the championship come playoff time, rather than trying to find lightning in a bottle with my very low priced Blue Jays. I may still do both, but my position sizing in terms of sats invested will be far greater on the Dodgers.
How to emulate access to Float
As mentioned earlier, Buffett has the benefit of access to Insurance Company float. It is unlikely any of us own insurance companies but I think there are a few ways we can create a similar dynamic.
  • Daily SN rewards can be used as a kind of float for your Predyx trades. If you stack more than you spend on SN you can allocate a percentage of that profit to your Predyx strategy
  • Territory revenue (especially if you pay annually). If you own a territory you get daily revenue share. If you pay this annually you have a whole year to use those sats to try to earn a profit with them on predyx before you must roll them into next year's payment. Risk disclosure, of course you may potentially also lose your sats on Predyx and not have any come time for your annual payment.
  • Rolling Predyx profits from short term to long term markets. This is my preferred strategy. I will bet on short term markets like "weekly bitcoin price", "game of the week", or any market that is expiring soon. Any profits I make from these short term market bets, I roll into my long term quality at a fair price bets.
So, there you have it folks. That's how you can degen like Warren Buffett would degen.
Please note, I don't always follow my own strategy, as I simply cannot resist YOLOing into my biases like the 49ers winning the Super Bowl or the Leafs continuing their annual playoff blow up streak. I am optimizing for both fun and profit after all.
Sats for all, GR
Thanks for this amazing post. I'm a noob in prediction market, so this will mark my first education about it.
Upto now my strategy has been simple to allocate fewer sats on risk free trades. I can't bet like @Undisciplined because I'm too afraid of losing any of my sats.
I don't know why I still fear losing sats when I've only been winning.
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You should be cautious until you've sufficiently proven to yourself that your process is sound. I stay within my processes and scale up gradually.
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Thanks. I'm keeping your every piece of advice like the rare pearls.
BTW, this week I've made around 20% profit on Freebitcoin with my RBOA.
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Good job!
I haven't updated mine for a couple of weeks. Hopefully, I did ok.
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My strategy has been simple. I put more amount on the games where I'm most confident about the winner/draw/loser.
On the other side where I'm not confident enough, I put less amount of sats and mostly go with 2 outcomes. I have not gone with all three possible outcomes for any of the match for Soccer.
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Always good to be cautious. As predyx grows and gains more users and liquidity, it likely won't be so easy to get in and out of trades profitably.
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Yeah! Make hay while the sun shines.
Apart from this in pretty sure @mega_dreamer will give us three the Hall of Famer status for our early showing.
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Yes for sure 💯
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Also, once they implement a business model that actually makes money off of our trades.
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Wow—this is absolute gold. Thanks so much for putting this together, @grayruby.
We never thought we’d see the day where Warren Buffett and degens would share a sentence… let alone a strategy. But here we are—Quality at a Fair Price meets YOLO with conviction. And honestly? We’re here for it.
Appreciate the thoughtful breakdown. We’re still out here trying not to bet the farm on meme markets… but with posts like this, maybe there’s hope for some “thoughtful degeneracy” in all of us 🙃
Back to stacking, betting, and trying to resist that 200:1 moonshot…
Little more on the team Predyx: While @emre and I have been the public facing team, there are more people behind Predyx who are working days and nights to make this dream come true. I wanted to give a shout-out to all our team members who are not active on SN:
Armen (from Armenia) - has been working endlessly building mobile apps, he is responsible for PWA and soon to be released native android App. Armen has also been working with Admin related development activity.
Jonas - (from Canada) - has been tirelessly working on migration of our server-farm from DigitalOcean to AWS and Kubernetes.
Derek the CEO- (from Canada) - has been managing the team's development effort, implementing API security gateway (that's why we've not been seeing any hacks off-lately ) managing finances, handling corporate responsibility and everything else.
Sats on, —Team Predyx ⚡🐸
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Nice you have some Canadians on the team!
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Aboot time! eh.
Are you from Canada as well?
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Nice, what part?
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I live in Ontario. I used to live in Toronto but moved out of the city a few years ago. Live around 2 hours from Toronto now on Lake Huron.
If you have a public lightning channel with Predyx, you could think of your outbound liquidity as a float. It's better for your node operations to not have full channels, so investing the sats that are filling up your channel is a win-win.
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Imagine the whales we would have if lightning service providers were doing this.
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That would be pretty nuts. Maybe I can get hired by one and take my Predyx skill pro.
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What skillls? You better call it degeneracy. Haha.
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Once Predyx hits the big time anything is possible.
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This comment has got nothing to do with buffet's strategy but I strongly believe someone needs to be reminded that "Each morning we are born again and What we do today is what matters most." A blissful day to you all, keep staying strong.
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Thanks
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lol I was kinda sorta doing this. But I don’t trade or switch sides which may be costing me. But overall predxy is fun
If you really want to put the degen on steroids. Take your SN revenue put into the predxy markets then the outcomes you win or dump on the next guy you can put that into lnmarkets.com and do a 10X leverage call on Bitcoin 😆
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140 sats \ 0 replies \ @emre 13 Apr
Thanks a lot for your guide and support dear @grayruby!
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Can someone explain 'buffet strategy ' to me in lay man's terms pls
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Warren Buffett the famous investor. I explain his strategy in the post.
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140 sats \ 1 reply \ @kurszusz 13 Apr
I don't know much about Predyx, so I don't use it...I've heard of it, but it's not documented yet
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You should give it a try. Bitcoin project after all.
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