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2401 sats \ 37 comments \ @m0wer 12 Apr bitcoin

I'm tired of being a slave. I want to be the change that I want to see in the world.

Help me break off my chains.

It would be relatively easy to find a remote job and get paid in Bitcoin. No more banks, no more tax fillings, no more bullshit. Sounds great.

Now, for the spending side. Paying rent in Bitcoin is also achievable. Most home owners would be happy to avoid their taxes and bureaucracy even without being bitcoiners on the first place. Cool.

Groceries: ideally convince some local store to accept Bitcoin and buy everything from them. Something like https://darth-coin.github.io/general/bitcoin-adoption-story-en.html Worst case, find online sellers that ship meat and vegetables or some store gift card from bitrefill. Already requires some effort, but looks like a good fight to pick.

How about these other expenses?

Transportation: local public transport, and public transport abroad while traveling (buses, taxis, ferries, ...).
Real state: land, house, ... Owning your citadel sounds like the way to go.
Healtcare.

I read you in the comments.

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117 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Apr

Healthcare: Crowdhealth accepts bitcoin payments and has a separate pool for bitcoiners.

30 sats \ 4 replies \ @Dkryptoenth 12 Apr

What's Crowdhealth, a health care facility?

13 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Apr

No, it's a cost sharing club. An alternative business model to insurance.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Dkryptoenth 12 Apr

That sounds cool. So insurance has now got an alternative,?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Apr

There are a few alternatives to insurance. I've known about Crowd Health for a while, but I've never been a member.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 13 Apr

Great phrase

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @teemupleb 12 Apr

It would help for “living on bitcoin” if Lightning bitcoin was integrated in local mobile payments systems, like with Bull Bitcoin’s “SINPE” integration in Costa Rica.

Of course this is not as ideal as creating Bitcoin circular economies because the recipient is getting fiat.. but you as a consumer can benefit from your rising purchasing power.

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Yes that would be an improvement but feels a bit like avoiding the problem.

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @hasherstacker 12 Apr

I'll soon get there. There are a few people who live entirely on Bitcoin only. There isn't any in my country, so I'm working on becoming the first.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Dkryptoenth 12 Apr

Which country are you from?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @hasherstacker 12 Apr

Malawi. One of the poorest in the world.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Dkryptoenth 12 Apr

For me, it's crypto or nothing. 😕

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

is there anything missing? how was your journey?

0 sats \ 11 replies \ @Coinsreporter 12 Apr

Most home owners would be happy to avoid their taxes and bureaucracy even without being bitcoiners on the first place. Cool.

Where?

Something like......story...

As they are, they are merely fictional stories. Unless, you can't show up in real, in person, and confront or show the reality how it's done, I'm not gonna believe any. I've written a lot of stories and believe me none hold complete truth about me or about the subject.

Alright a straight question: Do you know anyone in person/for real who doesn't use fiat money at all?

0 sats \ 10 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Yes: at least @DarthCoin

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Coinsreporter 12 Apr

And you know him for real, right? Do you know his real name, place where he lives, who he transacts with, what he does for a living, he hasn't paid anyone in fiat or taken fiat as payment for years and you've witnessed all of these standing beside him?

20 sats \ 8 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

No. And he doesn't give many details.

I will find out on my own the practical limits in reality. For now I know I'm able to pay my rent in Bitcoin. But it took years to convince the home owner.

10 sats \ 7 replies \ @Coinsreporter 12 Apr

No. And he doesn't give many details.

That's why the stories about living on Bitcoin are just delusional. Not judging because one person might feel like he's using Bitcoin for almost everything (like Darth or whoever) but ultimately the money is falling for fiat currencies atm.

To live absolutely on Bitcoin will need changes in the whole system of money logistics. Bitcoin needs to be accepted by all and everyone as MoE. What's the utility if you pay someone in Bitcoin and he recieves fiat? Until we see the whole supply chain accepting Bitcoin, I'm not convinced if someone says he can live only on Bitcoin.

I mean I'm concerning with your points like you can partially do it atm, but you still can't pay in Bitcoin for transportation, groceries, healthcare, taxes, tution fees, an so on everywhere.

But how will/can it change? We need more and more real Bitcoiners everywhere, from politics to bureaucracy to offices, colleges, schools, to a farmer or petty trader. And for it we need to push harder by turning it into a revolution, but this ain't gonna happen if you only make fictional stories (praising yourself). We need more real people who are ready to do some real work on field.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 13 Apr

Just because you are a statist shitcoiner that cannot comprehend how you can live on bitcoin standard itvfoesn't mean others can't do it.

I have no obligation to reveal my location/identity but I can say that are 2 stackers here that know me in real life. I don't want them to confirm anything.

I have my own reasons why I would never reveal personal information. Like OP did will come up even more crazy people and stupid (like you) wanting to do harm. Because this is what stupid people do: do harm, not respecting the natural law.

You can believe whatever uou want, I don't give a shit. I do not need any of reconnasaince to live on bitcoin standard or prove to you anything. I just live it on my own.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @m0wer OP 13 Apr

What harm?

There is no need for you to reveal any personal information. What would be helpful to reveal is some more practical details about how did you buy land, what do you do about property taxes, how do you move around when your travel...

But it feels like you are more focused on insulting others than about helping them/us. And I'm still trying to get my mind around this since you looked like a completely different person in your guides and podcasts. Are you happy? Are you spreading Bitcoin love or hate? What happened to you that made you so full of hate?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 13 Apr

How? Simple: following the Natural Law. But seems that you ignored that very important guide I wrote about. If you were start studying that one, in details, you will know. But as many, you jump into conclusions and only want shortcuts.

What harm?

Do you know what is natural law? It is simply do not do harm (rob, damage, kill). What are you trying to do? Rob me.

What happened to you that made you so full of hate?

Statists and idiots.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Agreed.

At least offering to pay in Bitcoin for anything you buy is the least we can do. And having a strong preference for Bitcoiner merchants.

Anything else?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TRUTHSEEKER20 12 Apr

it is fascinating that you have brought this topic brother i totally agree with you bitcoin or any other crypto currecy has made the transaction quite comforting specifically the seamless lightning satoshi technology. the only issue is that more people need to actually adapt using sats or any other crypto. since fiat and bank systems is making the world even worse than it already is.and that my friend you experienced is a liberation if possible to make mor posts about this to keep us updated about the overall experience.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bitcoiner1 12 Apr

It depends on the country you're living in.

For example, in Spain and Portugal if you are rich in SATs and poor on Fiat is very hard to rent a place to live.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Is it? Precisely in those countries it's fairly common to have undeclared rents in cash. If home owners find out about Bitcoin they are going to love it xD

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 12 Apr

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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Thanks. It misses some answers: even if you don't touch fiat again, some costs “come” to you.

When traveling, I'm sure you could convince someone to carry you around for Bitcoin. Great.

And when buying a house or land you could find a seller that accepts Bitcoin as well.

But what do you do when the trash collection tax/fee arrives to your mailbox to be paid in fiat? What do you do when the same happens with the property tax?

I get it, it's theft and you shouldn't pay it if you are not a slave. Understood. I still want to know the consequences and how does it look like in practical examples.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @SwapMarket 12 Apr

At least there I live, any tax or fine can be paid in cash at certain banks. And I think f2f p2p BTC into cash exchange for that purpose does not betray "living on bitcoin" mantra.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

I would like to know how does @DarthCoin do it without ever touching fiat though.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 12 Apr

I thought Darth paid his rent in bitcoin. I don't know about the citadel land, though.

If you can find a willing seller, I don't know why you couldn't just buy land with bitcoin.

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @m0wer OP 12 Apr

Usually a real state sale involves a notification to the local tax agency. And now they now where to find you xD

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @SwapMarket 12 Apr

I think Darth goes overboard with his religion. My interpretation of freedom is to live under the radar while keeping wealth in BTC and not letting the state taxing it.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 12 Apr

you have no idea what is freedom because you never have one.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 12 Apr

Dude, you know too little about me to pass any judgement. Some fun facts for you: I don't work since 2009, hold two passports, but live in the third country with a much better climate. I have a large house, a sailing boat and an airplane, and all my life I paid minimal taxes. I am free because I have no desires and I know what I am vs the universe (same).