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Cool, I was just listening to this earlier.
Bob does a great job communicating all this stuff and I generally share his frustrations with people on both sides of the debate.
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Caught myself ranting about how ignorant most people seem to be about economics when talking in favor of tariffs. It is like a case study in sports team political thinking. Then you have the hypocrites in the democrat side that all of a sudden have a problem with taxes and suddenly realize they have consequences... Its something to watch.
Now, there are people that recognize tariffs are being used as leverage and they aren't good per se. But, that's not most people in my experience.
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The anti-tariff argument that annoys me is the assertion that the entire cost gets passed through to the consumer.
  1. That's not how tax incidence ever works
  2. Why are foreign countries so angry, if none of the burden falls on their side?
I agree that the realpolitik argument for tariffs is the most common one with economic merit. I just find those folks to generally be ethically grotesque.
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Forgot to zap ya. Dang, more caffeine isn't helping.
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Sitting in the corner now...
Good summary. I co-sign this.
entire cost gets passed through to the consumer.
Yeah... I mentioned Apple's margin yesterday. Sure Apple could pass 100% of the tariffs to consumers but this also could backfire and actually hurt them more than absorbing some of the cost and diminish the effect on sales by keep prices lower.
What is so appealing to the Austrian view to me is the human action portion. Really we are talking about choices made by millions of individuals. Most people dumb things down far to much. Learning from this school has taught me that I and others need to be much more humble about what we think may happen.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with his take laid out in the video.
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Thanks, you saved me having to post this.
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What's your take on his take?
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I agree with him. FWIW though I often defer to Bob as he usually steel mans arguments and doesn't tend to take cheap shots. I don't mean I always agree with him but its a pretty safe bet for me to do so in most cases. I've learned a ton from Bob over the years either directly or indirectly through his recommendations on other economists. He does a very good job explaining different sides of views on economics. He's one of the few people that seem to really take MMT seriously and explain why they hold their views while most just mock them. Which is MUCH easier to do.
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Huh, I need to see him steelman MMT. Because when I listen to MMTers themselves, I don't find much positive things to say. Maybe I'm missing something that Bob can point out to me.
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Honestly, its not worth it IMO. Was just trying to think of the best example of him not taking the easy path. I think he had an MMT guy on his show a couple years ago.
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The TLDR of this video though is Ron Paul was right. "Balanced" trade isn't good or bad. It depends. And tariffs aren't magic but better than income tax. Fiat money is more important and hard money would be a better move than what Trump is doing.
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My econ TLDR for almost every political figure is that they don't actually belive in freedom enough. That's the base problem.
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I'll say this. I have finally been affected by Trump in a tangible way. Been mulling over a new 2nd 3d printer purchase and the model I was looking at is now +$200 over a few weeks ago. Guess I'll just wait it out for now.
Which company should I vandalize to express my political displeasure?
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Tesla obviously. Everything is Elons fault
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Its obvious that if you hate Nazism the response is to destroy the property of people that bought an EV. Its like the obvious solution to the oppressive legal system is to riot and destroy the community you live in and businesses that support the community. Duh! Why didn't I see this before!
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I've heard he is against the tariffs though. Not loudly but this is what I've heard. Of course why should that matter.
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From Gemini:
Here's a summary of the video:
This episode of the Human Action Podcast, hosted by Dr. Bob Murphy, challenges the idea that the U.S. must maintain trade deficits to preserve the dollar's status as the global reserve currency. The discussion references economist Triffin and contrasts his views with those of Ron Paul.
Here are the key points:
Trade Deficits and Historical Context: Trade deficits aren't inherently negative. The U.S. experienced trade deficits during its early growth [10:38], suggesting such deficits can indicate strong investment and economic potential. This is different from trade deficits arising from government overspending [21:44]. Triffin's Dilemma: The video disagrees with the interpretation of Triffin's dilemma, which suggests that a country with a global reserve currency must run trade deficits [24:50]. The U.S. ran trade surpluses for much of the Bretton Woods system era [36:01], and the demand for dollar-denominated assets doesn't necessitate trade deficits [39:49]. Ron Paul's Perspective: The video supports Ron Paul's view that severing the dollar's ties to gold in 1971 led to increased inflation and economic instability [49:20]. This decision contributed to income inequality and a divergence between worker productivity and compensation [53:07]. Proposed Solutions: Instead of tariffs, the video advocates for reduced government spending and a return to sound money policies to improve the trade balance [01:03:07].
Seems this is typical big L Losertarian drivel missing the point entirely and arguing irrelevant things just to virtue signal.
MAGA is well aware the problem stems from the money, and no one has suggested that the US has to run deficits... quite the opposite. Dollar Dutch Disease is another term thrown around by the likes of JD Vance and others in the admin and that has nothing to do with debt.
They're literally calling it the "Golden Age" and the administration is full of Bitcoiners.
Tariffs put a bandaid on the bullet wound while getting partners to the table and onboard with a global re-ordering around Bitcoin Bretton Woods / MaL accords to adopt a neutral money.
The currency manipulation they talk about in context of the tariffs disappears when both trade partners settle in real value, not fiat.
Big L losertarians who's entire identity is wrapped up in being ineffective hipsters would seem to prefer letting the status quo of disaster continue on and getting worse rather than fighting back by speeding up the process with a controlled demolition.
ACCELERATE.
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Hilarious and informative! 🤣🫡
Big L losertarians whose entire identity is wrapped up in being ineffective hipsters would seem to prefer letting the status quo of disaster continue on and getting worse rather than fighting back by speeding up the process with a controlled demolition.<
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