And you know what? That's on me for continually calling any Bitcoin transaction a "payment" as a generalization even when I mean inter-wallet transfer or channel open and close.

I mean yes, but that's not really what this is about. People were complaining mostly for the on-chain cost to withdraw to self custody.

More point I was trying to make it is that its also about the opening and closing cost of lightning channels. When people go to close a lightning channel they just pearl clutch "Oh the humanity these fees are so high!" and the money saved from doing all those lightning transactions are just looked over.

So I was just pointing out that people need to be tricked into things sometimes. Like having part of your lightning fee go to an internal fund for the channel closing fee instead of paying the whole channel closing fee all at once and going "Whoa so high!"

TBH, I'm kinda at a point where I'm like "this is unsafe without a soft fork, but let's implement it anyway and tell users to pray and give them information about the soft fork instead of being scared to touch it at all" lol.