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Gov: "Trust Me Bro! They're Bad Dudes." Sorry, I don't
595 sats \ 5 comments \ @kepford 1 Apr Politics_And_Law
I know I'm not alone in this. I don't trust the government. Any government. Its the rational response when you discover just how often its agents lie, steal, and kill. Honestly, I do not understand why so many people do trust the government. The reality is that if your team is in power, you tend to trust it. If not, you still mostly trust it but less so. That's my feel for most people at least.
Trump and Rubio are bragging about how many MS-13 gang members are being deported. Many are being shipped to prisons in El Salvador. Obviously I am not opposed to criminals being put in prisons. But, how do we know these guys are actually guilty of anything other than being in the US illegally. Actually we don't even know that. It wouldn't be so bad if these people were just being shipped back to their home countries. But, instead they are getting sent straight to prison. No trial. Just the government picking people up and shipping them to prison. Is this what you signed up for Trump supporters?
Many Trump supporters opposed the GW Bush policies of throwing people in off-shore prisons. Some of them US citizens. With no trial. Now these people seem rather silent. Its troubling to me.
Why? Well, because the government sucks. Even if they have good intentions they make mistakes. The Innocence Project is just one group that has shown how often our legal system falsely imprisons people. I would be shocked if there weren't any Innocent men being sent to suffer in El Salvador's prisons.
You may say, well these are bad dudes and we need to clean up the mess Biden made. I have sympathy for that position. But do we really want to set this president? TDS is real but it is valid to have concerns about the actions of the Trump admin. This is not the American way. Not the way I was taught at least. This is just a strong man taking action and disregarding the values of this nation and the rights of human beings.
Think about it.
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38 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford OP 1 Apr
A valid argument for the Trump policy is that for the last 4 years the border has been open allowing these violent gangs to enter and expand their influence. Not only that but the Biden admin and many other governments had a sort of anarcho-tyranny. Refusing to enforce laws on the books and protect the people and at the same time prosecuting people that tried to defend themselves and their property.
I'm sympathetic to this position. I just don't believe the approach being taken will solve the underlying problem, in addition to it violating the rights of those caught in the dragnet.
The solution isn't a new idea. If you wanna stop the drug gangs you decriminalize drugs. Cut off their funding source. Coupled with removing the welfare state this would drastically decrease illegal immigration.
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63 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 1 Apr
Those who actually care about due process are a tiny minority.
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29 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 1 Apr
Indeed. I almost went into just how stacked the legal system is anyway, even if you do get "due process". I mean Trump supporters should get this. Look what happened to the J6 people and Trump as well as people in his orbit.
And yet.. here we are.
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89 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 1 Apr
I have a 6am chat over coffee with a lawyer every day. The term of the day, every day for the past week or so, has been due process, the lack of it to be precise.
It's kind of crazy when you think of it, and you don't need to think deeply: people being sent to a foreign prison without any means to challenge the validity of the governments claim. What if it were you? We've entered the operating arena of dictators.
Hopefully more people will think, while its still legal.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 1 Apr
Indeed, I think most people are too distracted by all the noise to think about it and those that should be triggering us to think about it aren't helping.
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