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I'm not too good to write on english and Make statements, but with help of digital fellow - I came up with thougths about nessesity of AlbyHub..
I have been self-hosting one right after its release. But yet I have not understood what it is good for.
For one - it is not full-sovereing-mykeys-Lightning-wallet.
And yes, The story...
Once upon a time in the bustling world of digital payments, a revolutionary service called Alby Hub emerged. Branded as the bridge between users and the dynamic Lightning Network, Alby's marketing campaigns were vibrant, promising independence, security, and decentralization. However, as people began to dig deeper into its offerings, cracks in the narrative became evident.

Claim 1: Alby Hub Provides "Keys for Self-Custody"

Alby’s marketing proudly emphasized its commitment to user control, stating that Alby Hub empowers users by allowing them to hold their own keys. Phrases like “Take charge of your funds” and “Complete self-custody for your financial independence” adorned their promotional materials. Yet, beneath the surface, Alby Hub didn’t provide keys at all. Instead, it relied on connections to external Lightning wallets and nodes, leaving users dependent on those third-party systems for key management. Critics began asking: if there are no keys to manage within Alby Hub, how can it provide self-custody?

Claim 2: "Integrated Lightning Wallet"

Another banner claim was that Alby Hub featured an integrated Lightning Wallet, simplifying the user experience. The appeal of having an all-in-one system lured many adopters. Yet, in practice, users realized that Alby Hub didn’t include an integrated wallet at all. Instead, it required connecting to wallets running externally. To many, this felt less like integration and more like delegation—users were merely interfacing with an external tool through Alby Hub. The term “integrated” began to feel like a misnomer, sparking debates about the transparency of Alby’s marketing.

Claim 6: "Decentralizing Finance"

Decentralization—the heart of blockchain ideology—was a cornerstone of Alby Hub’s messaging. It was portrayed as a product that empowered users to contribute to the decentralization of the financial ecosystem. However, skeptics questioned this claim. Alby Hub’s reliance on external nodes and accounts tied to Alby’s ecosystem created new centralized points of dependency. While it facilitated user interaction with the Lightning Network, it didn’t inherently decentralize anything. Instead, its architecture nudged users closer to centralization, as running an independent node became secondary to simply connecting with one that already existed.

The List of Questionable Claims

ClaimReality
"Provides keys for self-custody"No keys are provided; Alby Hub relies on external wallets, which manage keys and custody.
"Integrated Lightning Wallet"No wallet is integrated; it depends entirely on connecting to external wallets or nodes.
"Contributes to decentralization"Requires reliance on Alby accounts and external nodes, which centralizes some aspects of the user’s financial setup.

Conclusion

While Alby Hub undeniably provides useful functionality, its marketing sometimes paints a rosier picture than reality. The disconnect between its promoted features and actual capabilities has left users with both questions and lessons. Transparency is vital in the decentralized finance space, and platforms like Alby Hub must strive to ensure their claims align closely with what they deliver.
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171 sats \ 2 replies \ @Alby 8h
Hey, thank you for those 3 (or 6?) claims.
To clarify shortly: Alby Hub is an app with an integrated lightning node, that provides wallet features plus many more (integrated LSPs, swaps, NWC service, subwallets). Yes - wallet is integrated, it's hard to imagine a node app without send/receive/seetxhistory features.
Alby Hub when used as standalone app, comes with random (or imported by user) keys that generate and backup onchain wallet. This is fully self-custodial, Alby can't know what are users' keys. Alby Hub can also be used as an interface to existing nodes, so it is possible to link existing LND node on for example Start9 or Umbrel and have all features of the Hub, but relying on existing keys - still self custodial to users. Hope that helps!
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tlindi OP 8h
Could you give a link to screenshot where I can type my seed into AlbyHub Lightning Node, please.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Alby 2h
When you launch Alby Hub for the first time, you choose "Advanced" option and there you have the option to import a wallet
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269 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 8h
Yes, for regular clueless noob that just click and install Alby is doing what you said. But you miss to mention that advanced users CAN customize their Alby Hub, WITHOUT DEPENDING of Alby infrastructure at all !
All their code is open source and you can customize it as you wish. Here is how you can run it with your own NWC relay: https://github.com/getAlby/hub?tab=readme-ov-file#optional-configuration-parameters Here is how you can run it with your own LN address domain: https://guides.getalby.com/user-guide/alby-account-and-browser-extension/alby-account/use-your-lightning-address/own-domain
Keep in mind that Alby is not different than a LNbits, is just a software UI on top of a LN node or a funding source. But if you install it with LDK, then it is providing the keys and the integrated wallet.
In general I think they did a great job, offering different ways to run Alby Hub for all situations and levels of users knowledge:
  • cloud - super easy for noobs and those without infrastructure
  • self-hosted click-and-run - super easy for less knowledgeable but they want somehow a self-hosted managed node
  • self-hosted advanced customization - for advanced users
  • integrated in bundle nodes - easy to deploy and link to an existing node
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tlindi OP 8h
But if you install it with LDK, then it is providing the keys and the integrated wallet.
This is some news! And it should be pointed in marketing and documentation too - @Alby, please?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Alby 2h
Thank you sir for suggestion, we will try to describe difference between various backends. Also happy to accept open-source contributions in this regard!
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I can't confirm. All claims are real.
I have full control over my funds with the internal LDK based node and I also got the seed and channel backups.
I can connect with any NWC enabled app and use my albyhub as wallet in these apps.
Albyhub does not require an alby Account at all. But it has some benefits which don't compromise on decentralization
In my opinion Albyhub is the best solution to run your own lightning node in the cloud or on you own computer. I use it for my friends and family and also have stackernews connect to it.
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