In the second half of an extended interview Jeremy and George are joined by New York Times journalist Ralph Blumenthal, co-author of the game-changing 2017 UFO story. The trio dive deep into the life of Dr. John Mack, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard psychiatrist who dared to take alien abduction seriously - and paid a steep price for it. The journalists unpack Mack’s desperate fight to preserve his tenure during a secret Harvard 'inquisition' in the 1990s, his courageous expedition to the African town of Ruwa, Zimbabwe, to investigate the astonishing 1994 close encounter witnessed by 60 schoolchildren, and his provocative theories linking UFO incidents to paranormal experiences. Blumenthal pulls back the curtain on a man who saw a universe far stranger than we’re told, from abductions to crop circles and beyond.

But the story doesn’t end with Mack. Blumenthal shares insider perspectives on the modern UFO frontier - why whistleblowers still fear coming forward, and the uphill battle for full disclosure in a skeptical world.

This episode is a call to arms for independent journalism to uncover what’s really out there, revealing the challenges of reporting the unreportable and the relentless pursuit of the unknown.