I vaguely remember similar messaging at the beginning of trump's first term, but couldn't find it on a quick search. I wonder if those came back or if it's a more permanent effect...
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186 sats \ 3 replies \ @cointastical 15 Mar
If it's not economically-driven, then it is nearly entirely political / ideological. And thus after those first 40 have left there's no (or few) more willing to do the same.
Au revoir, Felicia.
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31 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 15 Mar
Guess it can be both. If you get fired (economically driven), you have more reason to act on your ideological beliefs. So it'll depend on whether people keep getting fired or not.
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44 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 15 Mar
which scientists in which fields are getting fired and moving to France?
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In a press release about its “Safe Space for Science” initiative, the University announced that the 40 U.S. scientists included people from Stanford, Yale, NASA, the National Institute for Health, and George Washington University. It said that most of their research topics were related to “health (LGBT+ medicine, epidemiology, infectious diseases, inequalities, immunology, etc.), the environment and climate change…as well as the humanities and social sciences…and astrophysics.”
Postdocs in biomedical research with PhD are not medical professionals. The practicing US clinicians (with MD) don't even know about these grant funding issues except from the media, do much better than their peers in Canada (or anywhere short of possibly Dubai/Saudi), and don't flee anywhere.
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52 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 15 Mar
USAID funded fake-scientists then, that were probably imported to begin just to rubber stamp ghostwritten papers
Good riddance!
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 15 Mar
Haha, anyone "fleeing" America for France is categorically not part of a "brain drain".
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121 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 15 Mar
You can tell from the comments how little sympathy many Americans have for their academics.
It's a tricky thing because I know how these Americans feel. Even within academia, a lot of the professors in the more traditional disciplines were getting fed up with the political activism of professors, usually in the humanities. I remember the chair of my department in grad school, who himself is a Democrat voter, was complaining about how crazy the professors in the humanities were, and how university committees couldn't get any business done because of their focus on micro-grievances.
So when all these academics complain about Trump and say they're moving to France, I can't tell if it's the same crazy activists, or the ones I would have considered "real researchers." I know that many real researchers are affected, due to the uncertainty and holds on grant funding, so I'm sure many are fed up. But with stories like these, it's hard to tell the scale of the issue.
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 16 Mar
It is quite striking, indeed.
I've always experienced this kind of polarization between STEM and social science departments in all the institutes I've worked in, but it usually was just a matter of very different efficiency: STEM professors would complain about the utter lack of efficiency and focus when annoying university policies had to be implemented. E.g., the implementation of the Bologna reforms in Europe. It's annoying, but the STEM approach was just to, let's get it over with by just acting quickly. The humanity approach was to discuss, discuss some more, form workgroups, have meetings, discuss, delay, etc... and in the end, when they had to act, they'd just copy whatever the STEM playbook had achieved 2 years earlier.
It never looked as polarized as what seems to be the case in the US. And much less ideological or politically flavored.
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32 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 16 Mar
Oh no, France will discover the 49th gender before us!
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