omfg, the podcast host & guest probably think the lightning-token surveillance system will optimize financial freedom around the world and then it will step away, as people learn to bitcoin more. rolls eyes.

the ill-intentioned people will continue taking up bitcoin from the people on the streets, and issuing them tokens instead.

it's one thing wanting to be Uncle Jim, who is willing to sacrifice some sats, put skin in the game running nodes, while risking force-closures, theft, bugs, etc. in order to keep the decentralized & local economies going.

it's evil to be Uncle Sam who wants to centralized the sats and issue tokens instead, under the guise of "quicker & more efficient technology!"

it's cool to have services like Bitrefill or Fold or Strike's billpay and others, but if they start selling back to centralized exchanges, or staight-up get seized, that continues to give power to corporations that do not deserve it. these services are like training wheels, not the new way of life. bitcoiners i usually hang out with are still crawling on the floor, many can't even flip over yet!

continuing to use those services indefinitely is akin to going into the gas station stores where the so-called food is poisonous, because it's on the way and cheap. bitcoiners have to be willing to take the hard road, the long way around the exchanges, to train thru some self-imposed friction. for example, with bitrefill - teach ur friends to get the giftcard for you, and send them sats. teach them how to accept LN sats and have them buy you stuff with their own credit.

if u have it too easy, u suck and not training hard enough, and not educating people. go do the one great work.