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65 sats \ 20 replies \ @Bell_curve 20 Feb \ parent \ on: Do you still believe in Milei? AskSN
This is the problem with libertarians. Let perfect be the enemy of improvement
Also, Libertarianism is all over the place. Some don't vote and are anarchists. Others are basically republicans that want moral libertinism. It's not a monolithic group. Far more diverse than most realize. And most people have no clue what libertarian beleive so the label is pretty useless. It's OK for those that get it but that's a small number.
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Yes it is. Libertarians are afraid of winning. And I don't mean elections. I mean ideas. It would take generations to move the mindset of the masses. When I see what happened in both Argentina and the USA I see a shift in the mindset. Oppounitity is all around us. The elections are like the flag in the wind. It shows direction. It's a sign.
We will not jump to the absolute. No political figure will fix it. They will try to appeal to people. I don't trust or believe in any political figure but I can appreciate positive directional shifts.
You just described why I'm not a libertarian.
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god forbid libertarians are culturally relevant, better to recite Ayn Rand verbatim so we sound dated
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I would argue that the conservative movement wasn't culturally relevant until Trump basically destroyed it. He's not a conservative. He's transactional. He wants to win. He takes ideas from all over the place. Often no rhyme or reason.
The people that voted conservative (R&D) wanted someone that would do what they want. Trump is a populists. The average person doesn't think deeply about politics and ethics. This time around Trump had tons of libertarians around him. They aren't a part of the libertarian party but the Paypal Mafia are not republicans. They want a corporate privatization of many of the government functions. This is a very libertarian idea. At least for many in the movement. There are plenty that oppose and hate this. Like I said, its diverse.
So I think Trump fans should be thanking the heroes of libertarian ideas because I believe they are at the core of what is going on now.
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I think you are right about Trump.
And, like Milei, he is a scam. And a trap for too many people.
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What do you mean a trap? If I like three things he does but don't vote, let alone for him is that falling into a trap? Or is voting for him a trap? Or is thinking he will save everyone the trap? I don't know any liberty people that have their eyes closed trusting Trump. Plenty of republicans though...
Honestly, I try to avoid talking about the personalities because they live and die. The institutions and the belief in them is the real enemy. That's my view at least.
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The entire system is a trap. He is just using your desire for improvement from the problems they created in the first place, to acquire more power.
Take the example of a mafia: you have to pay the mafia $1000 every month or otherwise they will rapt you and probably rape your daughter. One day another mafia comes around the corner and says: ey, I can promise you the same, but I will charge you only $700, otherwise I will rape your daughter equally, but ey!! it's $300 cheaper!!
The trap is the system. Supporting anyone in the system is falling into a trap.
Prime example of not understanding libertarianism. Rand hated libertarians. She was not one. She has influenced many on the right including libertarians though but she also influenced many republicans as well.
In my opinion anyone happy about DOGE should thank Ron Paul and the liberty movement. Many people working with Trump are highly influenced by Paul and Rand as well as Rothbard and Mises. They are far from purists but the influence is obvious. Libertarians helped elect Trump. So they are making an impact. Don't base your opinion on online interactions like this one :) Not a monolith.
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Libertarians helped elect Trump.
ofc they went with Trump... because the other option was to go with this one LOL
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That's why it is a trap. They make you choose between bad and very bad. You choose bad because your are ignorant that there is another alternative: good.
And good is a thing that never comes out of a politician.
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it's still a choice: bad is better than very bad
2 bad options but it's a fallacy to say there is no choice or that both options are equally bad
I demand perfection in politics which means no politics at all.
I will not accept any less than that.
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The problem is he is fake. I don't think he has noble intentions at all. I don't think he wants to improve his country, but to improve the portfolio of his masters.
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A fake politician? Wow, that's original.
He probably is fake. I don't live there and have zero skin in the game. What I found most interesting was a politician winning while speaking liberty talking points. Been skeptical of him and remain that way. I also suspect he will have many socialist arrows pointed at him. Don't know what to tell you. I don't worship politicians.
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Remember: all politicians lie. The always say you what you want to hear, and then they do whatever they want with the power that you, stupidly, gave them.
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and voters are complicit for voting for liars, for being gullible, why? because most voters lie to themselves
noble intentions are overrated
the road to hell is paved with noble intentions
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