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I disagree. Us plebs have to work sustain life. This company doesn’t have that. I thought the whole idea of going into business was to pool capital and share risk of trying to bring a good or service to the market that people will consume. Once you stop doing that what other purpose does a company serve? If he has ambitions of being a bank then he should get a banking charter and operate as one.
From the Austrian perspective, capital (and speculating on how to allocate it) provides as much value to society as innovation.
Speculating on the appreciation of assets involves risk. Before you put your capital on the line you have to do a lot of research, and others get a cheaper signal from you than their own research would cost them. You remove an efficiency from the market and that's where your profits come from.
It's an important part of the economy, because the economy needs price signals.
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Bingo. Thank you.
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George Gilder makes a similar argument
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Yeah but a central bank in bed with the government creates bailouts. Which makes it almost impossible to know is Buffett a good allocator of capital or is just another beneficiary of the money printer. Go back to 2008 if USA didn’t bail out the economy ultra rich guys would have gotten destroyed.
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So the problem is the money printer, not the capitalists. Now that we have Bitcoin and the money printer is losing its power we can keep capitalism and don't have to be as apologetic about it.
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They are both at fault. Capitalists lost the plot of developing humans and communities and left it to the government while the top of the heap justify compensation beyond their own personal productivity.
If we didn’t have this welfare government state then companies will have more of an incentive to care for their labor and take more risks instead of geographically arbitraging labor to zero (looking at you apple) in pursuit in becoming a trillion dollar company. And leaving it to the government to clean up the mess while skirting taxes.
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It sounds like you are saying incentives matter. Fix the incentives. You will always have greed and grift so when you have a rigged system people will exploit it. Fix the system, you can't fix human evil with government or bitcoin.
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Like I said, an economist could explain the utility of companies that speculate and hold or trade assets. I get the instinct you have and I share it but also what I have read about this topic is compelling as well.
The problem with what you are saying is that one can take that logic to basically say we shouldn't have stock markets at all because they are all just grifters. And then you end up in a socialist econ where there isn't a system to determine the market prices and risk ratios of companies.
I don't like the financial world... but as long as they aren't stealing my money like the state does and they are just gambling with their money I'm OK with it. Hard for me to get worked up about it really. People gonna gamble.
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Nah I think the stock market is great. But that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize unfeathered greed. Like a wise man once said to me in a podcast (Professor Penn) a man can only eat one steak a day, only drive one car day, having an excess of a billion dollars or more just seems to be accepted. Soon as someone says hey maybe this person should distribute his wealth more, maybe into his employees or whatever the jump is made to socialism/Communism.
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For sure. I was actually gonna make that more clear. I support freedom but I don't have to like what everyone does with it. The number of things that I don't agree with is long :)
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What is greed? Serious question
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I think when you have excess of stuff and refuse to share.
Why I’m one of the top zapper of sats on SN I can’t criticize buffet and not break bread with the stackers!!
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excess of stuff and refuse to share. There's no wrong answer because this is what you think/mean but what you described is what I would call selfishness.
I still remember my dad telling me (born in a literal log cabin, dirt poor) some of the most greedy people I have ever met were poor. Greed isn't about how much money you have.
Always stuck with me. Some of the generous people I have ever met were very wealthy too. I know plenty of generous people that are not wealthy. People often surprise you. What you expect is often wrong if you are willing to accept it.
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The desire for something you do not have. It's something pretty much every human has as well. Not just those with wealth. Capitalism has incentives that take that into account and use it to build wealth for all of society.
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74 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 19 Feb
Uh.... I could be crazy but if you by stock in the company then bam. You eliminate you issues you mentioned? Being a BTC bank doesnt exist yet. BTC has a price and the amount the company hold has a value. It is the same as a precious metal company be it gold or silver they have the minerals its just the cost of processing and selling them.
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