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30 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 15 Feb \ parent \ on: PlanB: “I have transferred my bitcoin to ETFs” bitcoin
Just ran some hypotheticals out of curiosity, I knew euros were serfs but had no idea it was this bad...
In the US for example, with standard deductions for a family of 4 you, could roll over almost 100k without paying any taxes in a given year without a special tax deferment vehicle
The same scenario in most of Europe would cost about 50%, not including all the other pain like VAT they endure day to day.
So for him to do it tax efficiently, the value he rolled over would have to be under 10-20k total value.
Now it seems like Germany specifically has a rule for Bitcoin gains to be tax free if held for at least a year, but that's an outlier... Malta seems to be a tax haven also. Multiple AI chats can't seem to point out any other ways he'd have been able to avoid regular taxes.
Since in-kind doesn't seem to exist....I would imagine the most likely approach he took was:
- Move some btc to a 401k-style retirement account
- Sell bitcoin inside tax protected / deferred retirement account
- buy BTC ETF (Coinshares seems to be most popular EURO one)
(Note: The lack of in-kind creation / redemption is really a crime against nature as it is deliberate and intentional stealing. In an ideal world, RICO cases should be brought against these politicians for clear racketeering)
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AI seems to think there's not really a euro equivalent to 401/IRA that's not employer managed
Europe the lack of in-kind doesn't surprise me since governments there have been suicidal for decades, but I'm surprised the US didn't have in-kind from the jump.
All these borrow against your Bitcoin startups are very sus, in-kind will destroy them overnight given you could just margin against anything rolled to an ETF.
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but I'm surprised the US didn't have in-kind from the jump
Yea, they were part of original application put forth by Blackrock (who had huge incentive for it to take all GBTC deposits)...but Gary struck out that line.
Hopefully with a new admin less criminally minded we will see it added back.
in-kind will destroy them overnight
I think adding in-kind + bank custody will wholesale change the entire existing players. The large exchanges like Coinbase will be take over targets...and may continue to exist as an independent brand. However most of the other exchanges will receive offers to buy their customer base which they will either accept and go away or try and stay and fight..
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receive offers to buy their customer base
I think that explains all the lending startups, they're not here for the long term but rather to become acquisition targets.
I do recall seeing something about Hester Pierce etc working on in-kind, fairly certian it'll happen by year end. From a macro-economics standpoint, I think it'll be necessary just to prevent a deflationary death spiral by boosting he money-supply in a way that doesn't hurt the real world with inflated real estate prices and PE multiples.
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