pull down to refresh

It's exciting to see Fold App's upcoming credit card launch. Their wait-list page is complete with a drawing for 2 lucky winners to get a pile of sats. Plus, statement credit depending on how early you sign up. I'm interested, but also hesitant. I looked deeper into Sutton Bank, the institution backing Fold's card. Fold's description of the bank, short and sweet, I found lacking so I kept digging. Front and center, Sutton Bank, Member FDIC proudly boasts the slogan 'Old Fashioned Innovation'. Eight physical branches exist, all in the state of Ohio. Scanning for red flags I found the list of Cardholder Agreements. Fold's agreement is listed there, and I quickly found Fold's terms favorable and meeting with my expectations. The services are transparent, any fees incurred are listed and there are detailed descriptions of each. However, what caught my eye were the dozens of other card agreements through Sutton Bank. Along the list I saw agreements by providers such as 888-Play+ card , PA Lottery Play+ , Charlie Financial (where enrolling in something called Charlie+ eliminates your monthly credit card fee). Doing a quick smell test, I quickly became disinterested in working with Sutton Bank. Finding their partners with the likes of casino's, sports betting platforms and other gamified providers turned me off. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Of course, Fold has no control over which customers Sutton Bank chooses to partner with. It should have no reflection on Fold. However my gut feeling of hesitation has won out. In doing so, I'm forfeiting my chance at winning the grand prize of a boatload of sats as well as statement credit. One day, I hope to have a credit card that I feel comfortable borrowing dollars and earning sats - the an ultimate win-win.
Why people are so retarded and fall by these traps?
reply
0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ca 20h
Dogmatic.
You can't get to the other side without bridges. This is helpful bridging technology.
reply
Please tell me where it says here "fold" or "visa cards". It says otherwise...
Dogmatic.
If bitcoin maxis weren't so "dogmatic" you will not be able to use bitcoin nowadays. We are toxic FOR A REASON.
reply
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ca 16h
You're no smarter than an jihadist. Following the Quran to the letter.
You think your extremism is noble, just as much as somebody who makes himself explode.
reply
382 sats \ 7 replies \ @Cje95 12 Feb
I’ve been with Fold for 57 months including ie before they even had a debit card and have been a Fold+ member since the debit card first came out. Sutton is a solid bank and I’ve had no issues.
With Fold going public the SEC and likely the Fed Reserve went through them as well and they found no issues. Diving into the banks healthy they hold a B+ which is really good. They also are not a massive bank like a Chase which I feel better about. Some people might argue they want a large bank but that’s not me as long as it is financially sound like Sutton is
reply
I forgot fold went public
reply
102 sats \ 3 replies \ @gmd 12 Feb
what was Fold before the debit card?
Man 2021 was the glory days… I was regularly getting such high % back by saving daily spins and from small purchases and using them strategically on bigger purchases.
I don’t know squat about banks but I love my Fold card. It’s been fun to see the fiat value of those sats creep up this past year.
reply
Yeah fold had a great mission of trying to use lightning but they ran into the issue of no one was using lightning to buy things so they went the rewards amount. What some maxis don't understand is fiat isn't going anywhere any time soon meanwhile you can use fold and get every sat you can. Every sat you get and secure is a sat I can't get from you unless I earn it by providing some sort of good or service.
reply
438 sats \ 1 reply \ @gmd 17h
Yup! The purity clerics are annoying. Goal is to stack sats...
I'm still not quite sure where the yield comes from though... if I make a 20k tax payment I'm getting $100 back in BTC (minus the $3 fee)... great for me but seems like quite an expensive transaction cost for them to recoup at scale.
reply
It’s all made on the fees to move dollars around. It’s just visa and fold are using the spoils from the fees earned to pay you out in rewards and keeping some for themselves.
Maxis hate this because visa is making revenue off bitcoiners spending dollars but every single bitcoiner on this planet needs a dollar at some point. Not a single producer that matters on a large scale is accepting sats for payment and if they are 99% chance the dump it for a dollar because that is what their expenses are in. No one is truly living on a bitcoin only standard it’s impossible in 2025.
reply
Statist and fiat maxi. What could be worse?
reply
reply
Thanks for looking into it! (Not that it matters for us poor Europeans, anyway!)
reply
Europe only has debit cards?
reply
Even if Sutton bank blows up make sure you secure any Sats you earn and nothing will happen to you.
Supporting bitcoin businesses now in this fiat madness will help usher in a world living on a bitcoin standard
reply