Here here! The solution is the discourage it and encourage the people around you to use the nonpermissioned systems.

nerd2ninja

I think this is something people need to realize. If Bitcoin is truly free, that means people can and will build permissioned and centralized systems and services atop it. Doesn't mean you can't discourage it, but that's the reality.

Majjin

I feel like he’s saying the problem is in the future, by denying it’s a problem, we’ll see two networks. One, the ‘free’ one which will be slow and barely usable. The other, which everyone will default too will be permissioned. If it’s permissioned and transactions are censorable and it’s the only real option for using lightning, what have we achieved? He’s not talking about today he’s talking 5-10+ more years from now as usage keeps growing

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bitcoin

What is the solution to this?

Paradoxically, if we could solve this problem, it would mean that LN had failed. If it is permissionless you can't stop people building permissioned systems that use it.

(note how I'm not even disagreeing that it's a problem).