The Bellamy salute is a palm-out salute created by James B. Upham as the gesture that was to accompany the Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America, whose text had been written by Francis Bellamy. It was also known as the "flag salute" during the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance. Bellamy promoted the salute and it came to be associated with his name. Both the Pledge and its salute originated in 1892. It was also known as the "flag salute" during the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance. Bellamy promoted the salute and it came to be associated with his name. Both the Pledge and its salute originated in 1892. Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, attributed to the Roman salute, a gesture that was popularly believed to have been used in ancient Rome.[1] This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.
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326 sats \ 41 replies \ @Undisciplined 12h
My wife asked me what was up with Elon doing a Nazi salute. I said that I haven't looked into it at all, but I'm confident that's not what happened and most likely they took a single frame of him mid gesture and intentionally misrepresented it as a Nazi gesture.
Approximately 5 seconds later, I confirmed that it was exactly what I thought.
I know we've gotten used to it, but these people are truly evil.
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159 sats \ 34 replies \ @028559d218 10h
Wait... but it was a Nazi salute. It wasn't taken out of context or photoshopped or whatever. I watched the video, a number of times.
If Elon is a nazi (or thiniks he is) well OK... I mean fine. But let's call a spade a spade here.
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87 sats \ 5 replies \ @nichro 6h
Did Elons salute look like this
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @oliverweiss 3h
Like this
https://youtu.be/e2bbb-6Clhs
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14 sats \ 1 reply \ @nichro 3h
What's his stance on foreign workers and Israel? Or the size and power of government?
Why would he publicly announce he's a Nazi with the salute but then immediately deny it on X ?
I'm just curious what you believe the strategy is. It's fascinating to me.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @oliverweiss 2h
What’s the point of these questions? Are you suggesting he wants small and weak govt? That if he and DOGE will “reduce” the government size, that it cannot become another NSDAP? That he needs Jews to hate, like there are no other groups to rake actions against? Like this is not happening already? And yes, he his anti immigration
Watch the language here. Selective. He is cheerleading all far right parties and movements in Europe. Lastly, he has denied it was a Nazi salute, but that’s what all these scums do, send the msg to the right audience first, then deny to look crunchy to others. He is a sociopath at minimum.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 6h
LOL
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 6h outlawed
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52 sats \ 2 replies \ @Turdinthepunchbowl 9h
The amount of people unwilling to call a spade a spade is so fucking frustrating. Claiming they took a single frame of a video haha. What a load of shit. Watch the video..it ain't long...he does it twice for you to confirm...
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73 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 9h
One, most people were reacting to a single frame and hadn't bothered to watch the video.
Two, that's not a Nazi salute in the video. It just overlapped in the eventual arm angle. Nazi salutes didn't start from a palm on the heart and then a chop outwards.
More importantly, it makes no sense at all to think he's going to be intentionally doing Nazi salutes in public.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 8h
You are dead right. At best it kinda made you think of a Nazi salute.
People believe what they wanna believe. I have never liked Musk. I don't trust him and think he's pretty shady. None of that matters if I have the wrong opinion.
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100 sats \ 24 replies \ @Undisciplined 10h
Even Snopes acknowledged that the picture was taken mid gesture, as he was moving his hand from his heart to pointing at the crowd, after saying how much he appreciated them.
No one is doing Nazi salutes. It's preposterous. Even if the gesture looks similar, that's not what he's doing.
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10 sats \ 23 replies \ @028559d218 10h
Dude. I watched the video. From 30 seconds prior to 30 seconds afterwards.
And he turned to the opposite side of the stage (his back to the camera) and did the exact same thing again.
I mean maybe somehow maybe just maybe... it wasn't a nazi salute. But most reasonable people with the same life experience and general observation skills would say... hell ya that was a nazi salute. That's 100% what it looked like.
Why give the benefit of the doubt to this jerk?
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34 sats \ 12 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
He's a douchebag regardless. Does this change your opinion of him? Do you think he and Trump are secretly Nazis? I mean, we see what they do in the open. This obsession with Hitler and fascism is pretty tired. I could write thousands of words comparing some of what most American's think of as the greatest men for their similarities in policy to fascism. Its not hard to do.
If you think he intentionally did a Nazi salute that's fine. He's a troll as I said in another comment. Its possible. It doesn't matter. People that hate Trump will say he did and those that love him will say he didn't. Its not important.
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51 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 10h
He's also not American. Maybe South Africans aren't endlessly bombarded with World War II shit the way Americans are.
If he had made some gesture that's associated with Pol Pot, or almost any other horrible genocidal maniac, we wouldn't realize it.
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33 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
Most Americans don't even know who Pol Pot is...
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 10h
My point exactly. We're familiar with what those in power push on us.
Beating the Nazis is exhibit A in the "America's the good guy" mythos.
South Africa presumably has something else, although it's hard to imagine what. Their history is pretty ugly.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @028559d218 10h
I don't hate trump.
I fear him.
And you should too.
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24 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
lol...
You think he's coming for you? I'm not gonna be afraid of any president. Not Biden or Trump.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @028559d218 10h
When your fellow Americans turn on you and they will eventually because
you're different
you opted out of the 'nonsense' they bought into or
maybe just because you have Bitcoin...
You will think wow I was really stupid. I should have been less trusting, and more critical of the information around me.
The power of governments to invade peoples lives, to make life extremely difficult, and to exert the 'power of the state' is ginormous. It's very big.
Is "the government" coming after you or me? No as individuals no I think that's silly. But have we sleepwalked into an anti-privacy surveillance state? Yes. And the only way to possibly change that is to first recognize what's happened and take it seriously. We don't want any politicians with as much power and influence as governments have right now.
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38 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 10h
Yeah, the description from Snopes explains that there's more audience back there. It's not really that confusing.
It's not the benefit of the doubt to Elon. It's an acknowledgement that no one of any prominence is trying to be affiliated with Nazis.
What is it that you think is going on here? Elon's a secret Nazi and in a moment of excitement he let his guard down?
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34 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
Its absurd. There will always be Nazis but they are no threat. The threat is in the ideas and people with power that DO NOT look scary but seem reasonable and good but actually cause massive destruction. Some of which Trump and Elon support.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @028559d218 10h
"What is it that you think is going on here? Elon's a secret Nazi and in a moment of excitement he let his guard down?"
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I believe.
The media outlets (the social media ones, the ones people actually use) like Twitter, Facebook, Google etc...
Are completely captured. They own all the data of everything posted on them. The can cancel, censor, remove, or ban any user they want, at will any time for anything.
Having so much power in so few companies, to control what Americans see, read, believe, communicate, and think.... where a lot of people get their information is incredibly dangerous and totally dystopian. Hell no I'm not going to give anyone at Twitter the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their intentions or motives, and that certainly includes Mr. Musk.
To make it worse, Twitter is filled with bots and scams which the platform still hasn't meaningfully removed... the only explanation for which I can understand is that they don't want to.
Attention and 'engagement' drive advertising and all of these platforms (google, meta, twitter) are in the advertising business. Whether or not you like Mr Trump (some do some don't) the situation is really dystopian as the incentives are all wrong and people should not trust these platforms or who runs them.
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37 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
I have news for you... I agree with you but this has been the status quo for my entire life. When I was a kid there were 3 networks and a few newspapers that told people what to think. The US has been like this my entire life. Now its online with the tech giants as you say. Just a different set of faces.
The salute doesn't matter. Power does. The Biden crime family is out and the Trump / Paypal mafia is in...
They aren't Nazis but that doesn't mean they are good people either. I refuse to be afraid of these clowns whatever they are.
Here's a real simple category. They are all statists. The state is evil and needs to be abolished as an idea. People worship it. There are different forms like facism, communism, and democracy but they all have one thing in common. A monopoly on violence that they exert on the plebs.
Its not that Trump isn't bad or Musk isn't bad. Its that what came before them was as bad if not worse. Arguing about that is kinda pointless really.
Don't be afraid of these clowns. We have freedom money and we will win. Its not happening any time soon but we aren't losing.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @028559d218 10h
Just having Bitcoin is not enough.
We need ideas and platforms with which to share them, ways to influence, ways to communicate, and we need to offer people something better than what the politicians can.
"We have freedom money and we will win." The vast majority of Bitcoin purchased is KYC. And there are really few places where people can actually spend their Bitcoin. That has been stomped out and meanwhile the president is apparently selling... memecoins of himself.
Other than El Salvador and Lugano, Switzerland (which I wrote about) there are very few places to spend Bitcoin day to day and governments have somehow made sure it's not used as a MoE.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 10h
What does any of that have to do with being a Nazi?
Again, this isn't about giving Elon the benefit of the doubt. The media has called every significant figure on the right a Nazi for this entire century. It's dumb. That's my point.
There's no constituency that Nazism appeals to. It makes no sense to be dog whistling to Nazis or any other form of hinting at it. It's utterly deranged to see Nazis everywhere.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 10h
I agree. Seeing nazis everywhere... it's silly and it's not called for.
But do I think there could be a nazi-sympathizer or closet white supremacist/nazi in the White House running things? I mean it's not beyond the scope of possibility...
It is possible and if you look at twitter frankly it's filled with alt-right neo-white supremacist nonsense everywhere it's not the only thing on twitter obviously but there's a lot of it.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 10h
This post is about the Bellamy salute which looks a lot like the Nazi salute. Its usage halted for that reason. But its not actually the same salute either.
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41 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 11h
Yeah, for real. Its just easy and they are lazy.
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48 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 11h
It just immediately reminded me of the Covington Catholic kid. People really need to stop giving their attention to those who lie right to their faces.
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22 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 11h
Yeah, that was so ridiculous. Didn't that kid win a lawsuit against CNN or some other news outlets?
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35 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 11h
He did, or at least they reached lucrative settlements with him. I've never heard how much he got, though.
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