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I've lived most of my life in California. I am very familiar with Southern California and have traveled through it countless times over the last 30+ years. I've enjoyed spending time in SoCal. My heart goes out to the people that have lost everything as well as the people living on the edge fearing the fires will come their way. Its terrible. Its also not a new story as we have seen this many times before, just not affecting this many people.
There are many theories and factors people are discussing online. Many IMO are missing the key issues. Regardless of how the fires started, sadly this event has only a matter of time. Been thinking about this issue for years and thought I would share my thoughts with you all. These are my opinions, I'm not an expert but I do live in the state and have paid attention to this topic since I was a kid. I've always loved the forests of California and I care about the beautiful state and its people. As I've said before, the government of California is evil. After you read this I hope you will understand why I believe this. I think Gavin Newsom is to blame for many of the issues we face but its bigger than one man. Removing him from office will not fix this problem. It is far more complex.

PG&E's Electricity Infrastructure & The Consequences of Monopolies & Price Controls

I'm not sure at this point if PG&E is at fault for starting these fires but it is at fault for many in the recent past. PG&E is the largest utility company in the state and has a monopoly over most of the state. SoCal Gas & Electric has monopoly over the rest of the state. Both are public utilities which essentially means these are more like government controlled entities than private companies. California has long used price controls on electricity. We know that doesn't work. The state has restricted to addition of new power generation my entire life. So of course PG&E has to import power from other states requiring higher rates for their customers. Due to the mismanagement of PG&E the company has not kept its infrastructure up to date. Many fires are started by shorts in power lines and equipment that is older than me. If you wanna immediately find common ground with a Californian complain about PG&E. So who is at fault? PG&E and the state government. Since PG&E is essentially a government entity I lay the blame on the state.
The problem is that most people have been programmed to believe utilities need to be controlled by government in addition to being monopolies. Its one of the most illogical beliefs to me. Since PG&E is a company people tend to just blame them instead of the politicians and the state. The result is politicians have little incentive to change things.

The Smelt, Salmon, and Water

The Smelt is a small fish that the Salmon eat. There has been a push for many years to restore the historic water ways that are a part of migration paths of the Salmon in California. California's Central Valley(North of Southern California) is a massive producer of produce and other agriculture products. The issues around water are complex and the most frustrating thing for me, a person that was born and raised in the state is how the issues are rarely discussed in rational ways considering trade-offs. Instead there are usually just two sides presented.
  1. The farmers need water so we need to build more water storage(dams).
  2. We need to restore the historic water ways of the state and the specifically the historic Salmon runs through those water ways.
I don't have a problem with either of these goals. The issue is that they are in opposition to each other. The fact is that water is needed by farmers in the Central Valley as well as people in Southern California. Southern California would not support the current population without the water from other places being funneled to that region. The farming industry of Central California would also not exist without sufficient water. Additionally the diversion of natural water flows via dams also has reduced flood risks in the state. So when you hear people talking about stealing water or SoCal doesn't have the water it needs this is a bit of context you might not hear. The state has done a terrible job managing water over the past 20 years.

The Historic and Natural Occurrence of Wild Fires

Over my lifetime I have watched as humans have build homes in areas that historically are prone to wild fires. As a kid in the government school system I was taught about forestry management. How the state and federal forestry services would clear dead brush, execute controlled burns, and cut fire lines to help prevent out of control wild fires. Even with this policy there was never a guarantee that homes could be protected but it does seem like that policy helped keep them smaller.
What many people do not understand about wild fires is that they are natural and needed. When the population of California was sparse there weren't any fire fighters putting out fires. They would just burn themselves out. The giant sequoia trees actually depend on wild fires to a certain extent. These fires would burn out the dead growth as well as smaller trees making way for only the strongest to survive.
With the massive population growth of California over the past 100 years fire fighters have began to fight this form of nature. Like many natural forces this usually only postpones the inevitable. Its a tough decision. Do you let natural do its thing or protect people. Growing up the policy was to protect people. This meant putting out fires that threatened humans and their property.
This included what I mentioned before. Logging, clearing out dead growth, controlled burns as well as other methods. In recent years the policy has shifted away from these policies and it is clear to me the results are disastrous. Once again trade-offs are rarely discussed when the government changes policy. Of course doing controlled burns affects air quality. Climate change is often mentioned as a reason to suspend controlled burns but it is clear to me that's just kicking the can down the road. The fires are going to happen. It is just a matter of time.

Human Expansion

In my opinion the single largest factor in these fires is the fact that humans have expanded into areas that historically are often cleared by wild fires. When government policy prioritized humans the risk would be reduced but instead of this the state has prioritized "environmental" interests. What makes this worse is that the state has also put their finger on the scales in regard to insurance.
Once again, I rarely hear the fact that more people are living in forests as a massive factor. I have traveled all over the state over the last 30 years and the growth is incredible. I don't have a problem with his growth but you have to recognize the risk. In a free market insurance should handle this issue of risk.

The Role of Insurance

Insurance is all about calculating risk. If you seek insurance the higher your risk the higher the premium. On both ends of the scale of risk both parties will not enter into an agreement. If the risk is very low individuals will not naturally see a need for insurance. Insurance companies LOVE to sell insurance with low risk. The opposite is true. If your risk is high an insurance company cannot provide assurances of payment.
The thing people most miss about insurance is that they play the role of evaluating risk. They are incentivized reduce risk, much more than the state. Recently insurance companies have stopped offering polices in California due to introduction of price controls and the state's forestry polices. In some of the areas now burning these companies have declined to renew fire polices. Why? Because the risk was to high. That should tell us something.

What Is the Answer

Remove regulations altering the natural market force of insurance. If an area is very risky insurance should be high. That is a signal that can very well save lives. I think people should be allowed to live on any property they own or rent. They should be able to do so without insurance as well. But insurance should be allowed to do what it does. Reduce risk and provide a valuable signal to the market. The same goes for power utilities. There needs to be a removal of the monopoly held by PG&E. They need to build nuclear plants in the state to provide power for the growing population. I believe the market, if allowed to operate would fix these issues.
When it comes to environmentalism the state should pick a side. People, or environmentalism. If they pick environmentalism they should not bail out the insurance companies and restrict building back in areas affected by wild fires. To be clear, I oppose that position because I don't believe it is actually good for the environment of California and its destructive to human life. The other path is to return to managing the forests. Restore the forestry practices that worked for decades. Allow insurance to operate as a free market and listen to the market signals.
When it comes to water its a similar situation. The reality is until farming practices change to be more regenerative and if the population level continues to grow the state is going to have to build more water storage and divert the natural flow of water. Humans are competing for resources with Salmon. I would love to see California restored to a more natural state but the reality is that will not be possible without a drastic population decrease and more fires like this. I don't think the people actually want that. They have been lied to for decades by politicians and environmentalists.
I know this is a long post, there is much more I could say and I'm sure I'll hear it in the comments but I tried to keep this short. Its a very complex issue that the state and Newsom largely own. They will try to distract with many other things but this is where the focus should be IMO.
If you haven't see this video you should watch it.
I didn't mention DEI because I don't think it is a root issue. Its an issue that effects society as a whole. It affects these fires as well but I don't believe its fundamental.
Still, this is an absurd example of what we get with DEI.
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I've seen this video. it is horrific and I hope this person, or whoever wrote the script, was fired.
I also think you have to be totally mentally reprogrammed to think this way. Most people, in an emergency, don't give a flying f*** what the person rescuing them looks like or whether their face makes them comfortable. They just want to be removed from the danger!
At this point, it is absolutely not inaccurate to say that wokeness is a mental illness, if this is how they think.
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Honestly, calling it DEI is using the propaganda language. Its just racism and sexism. Hiring based on these factors. That's what it is.
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This is a good article about what went wrong in California specifically Los Angeles, long piece
excerpt: What is new are years of mismanagement, sprawling urban centers built in unattended dry brush, and underprepared government agencies focused on DEI and rhetoric over outcomes.
These are just a few reasons for the state of the Golden State, the reason LA is on fire. There are layers of ineptitude to examine. Years of government mismanagement and money laundering and rejection of pragmatism and science in favor of ideological sun god worship and anti-humanism. Not all the headlines are exciting. This is what a Democrat supermajority looks like. This is the banal, boring brutality of bureaucracy. It’s death by a thousand cuts. This is why people ignore it, get numb to it, or finally move away.
This is why Los Angeles is burning.
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I hope rational conversation will return to California politics. The identity politics of the last two decades have led to greater and greater state intervention where it isn't needed and a clear mismanagement of public resources.
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310 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 13 Jan
Its shows how powerful nature is. It might be extravagant to live in those areas, but it comes at a cost.
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100%. The state is not God.
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Victor Davis Hanson has lived in California most of his life. His family settled in Selma in 1870. He currently lives in the home his ancestors built in 1870
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Very familiar with Hanson. I don't live that far away from him. He's a very sharp guy and very loyal to our region.
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Thanks, I'll check it out. I haven't heard or read anything from him on this topic. I suspect I will largely agree with him though he seems to be in the neo-con camp when it comes to foreign policy.
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On Ukraine he supports aid to Ukraine but he also understands it's in their interest to negotiate a ceasefire and abandon all hope of joining NATO.
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Yeah, he's no dummy and often has takes that are not rubber stamps of the establishment.
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74 sats \ 4 replies \ @Cje95 13 Jan
Is Edison part of PG&E? They were the ones whose lines were by the two big fires and according to them they had been depowered for a few hours before the fire had started.
I love how to highlighted the history of wildfires and esp. the sequoia's need for it! Brush is a big issue no matter where you are and is critical for all ecosystems. Prescribed burns can help with a lot of this but a huge issue to this in Cali is the Santa Anna winds... I mean they were blowing at a Cat 3 level when the fires exploded last week.
For water how do you feel about the idea of desalination plants? I know they have huge issues as well but I feel like the state needs something to bridge the gap if that makes sense.
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Edison is separate from PG&E. They cover the areas not covered by PG&E
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71 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 20h
Looks like PG&E might dodge a bullet as the first lawsuits have been filed against Southern California Edison. It is interesting to me that they can fire lawsuits against Edison but no fire agency has suggested that Edison was responsible.
Also I’m confused that even with power shut off to the area houses still had power?!
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And yet somehow PG&E stock dropped more than 10%. Is that irrational?
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The wild is the biggest factor but it's a known issue for this area. This is why some fire fighters and old school foresters have warned of the possibility of an event like this.
Desalination is expensive. That's the issue. The root issue with water is that it's not a market good in California. Price is highly controlled. IMO that's the root issue. I don't see that changing. I just wish both sides of the water debate would be more honest about tradeoffs. To be fair, the farmers are pretty honest. They acknowledge the environmental impact but the other side seems to want to ignore the growing demands for more water.
They instead focus on climate change which is great for them since it is something they can't solve and can blame on others.
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Great unbiased analysis I was expecting to see a lot of blaming democrats and not looking at root causes.
But the power discussion is very interesting. Shocked the state doesn’t allow new power generation plants.
Thoughts and prayers to those affected by this. I can’t imagine losing my home and everything in a blink of an eye
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Thanks but I've very biased. I tried to write in an unbiased or fair way but thanks. Don't mistake my not mentioning democrats as a pass for them. They have ran this state and SoCal for a long time. The state has been well under their control for the last 20 years. They own the change in forestry policy and price controls. But yes, the issue is beyond politics and is largely incentives and not understanding how things work. I tire of the focus on Newsom and "the democrats". Its like beating a dead horse. The republicans in California are a joke for the most part.
The new power plants issue is two fold. It is hard to build anything large in the state unless the state wants it done. There is still far too many people afraid of nuclear power. While we are running on fumes the state is trying to decommission one of the nuclear plants in the state. They keep postponing it though so I believe they will never shut it down. It would cripple the state.
The solar pipe dream isn't understood widely enough but people are slowly learning. Now I have solar, its not a bad thing but its not a silver bullet. It has been treated like one for a decade in California. That's another topic though.
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I honestly think it's the voters fault. They are not paying attention to the situation in their own communities. The people of Pacific Palisades should have been more attentive to their wildfire risks and demanded change from their local officials. They can't blame anyone but themselves. The insurers leaving was already a huge red flag that they should've paid attention to. But I guess they're too stupid to see the warning signs.
Bad times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times. I think California has had too much prosperity in the last half-century, and many people just took safety and security for granted. They forgot that it takes a lot of work and effort maintain a civilized, safe, and prosperous society.
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These people are a product of the culture and state propaganda in place for generations. Belief that the state has capacity to do things that are not possible. You aren't wrong but I lay blame on the state as an institution for creating this situation.
In truth we all should know better but few of us do. I used to be under this same spell and memory of this always tempers my reaction. The state is a false god that people put trust in. The cost can be very high as in this case.
Incentives are for politicians to tell them things they want to hear. To rail on insurance rates. Politicians are a despicable class that take credit for things they do not control and refuse to take the blame when their policies result in disaster.
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Without government you would be a shivering wreck. People are weak and vulnerable alone- it is only by forming and working in groups that humans have come to dominate the environment and resources. Most people quite reasonably want to be governed and if the government was taken away they would very quickly move to create government- to protect their property and to provide security. The quality of government is always debatable and highly variable for sure- but a population of cynical Libertarians is not going to deliver better government. Libertarians are just the neoliberals of the 1980s repackaged into new memes and slogans. Natural monopolies will be exploited by private enterprise unless strictly regulated and controlled by government. The deregulation of banking that occurred under the neoliberals has created a culture of crony capitalism based upon fiat money and rentseeking debt fueled non productive speculation that has created a massive increase in inequality and corrupted the political process. You are right to be critical of politics and politics but you do not offer any credible solutions. In a democracy- even a highly corrupted one mostly undermined by massive corporate patronage what is required is voluntary participation by citizens to push back against the creeping rentseeking of private business interests- Libertarians fail to do this- instead they enable more rentseeking and corruption of our democracies.
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Great post!
Right after separation of money and state, we need separation of insurance and state. Our whole society is badly distorted because the costs of risky behavior are not being borne by those engaging in it.
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I have been trying to focus on positive stuff more in the new year so I've missed a lot of things I'm sure.
I just heard that some clown with the state is saying he is canceling all non-renewals. Its absurd. The crisis is not the rising cost of insurance but rather the rising risk to humans which causes the insurance rate increase. Its the RISK. Not the signal that is the problem.
We have a crisis of competence caused by negative incentives.
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I get pretty angry when people cite rising insurance costs and insurers leaving the state as part of the problem.
Insurance costs and insurers leaving is 100% a symptom, 0% a cause of the problems. In fact, the state would do better to work with insurers and ask them: "What mitigation strategies can we do to bring you back, or to bring down the costs?"
Instead, the politicians blame greed and the voters vote for them. Because the voters are stupid.
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It was pretty eye opening when I had an insurance client for a few years. I learned a lot about how insurance works even though my work was all on the software side of thing and never touched the actuary side.
Its interesting as I started to read Rothbard and other anarcho-capitalists like Bob Murphy I learned that many of the regulatory functions could be provided by insurance in the absence of state monopoly. Its clear to me that regulation has value. Management of risk as well. The main issue with the status quo is that the state has a monopoly on these things and also has poor incentives.
I started to become fascinated by insurance and began asking questions of my client. Insurance is pretty fascinating on a technical level. Most people do not have a fond view of insurance and honestly I do not either but this disdain should be directed at the state. At least insurance companies are not monopolies and also do not have guns pointed at you if you don't do what they say.
That's another topic.
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Yeah its Marxist programming in effect. People are ignorant of how insurance works and how the market works. This is intentionally done by government education.
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we all have a right to cheap insurance that covers everything with zero deductible
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Bill Ackman posted on X: if insurance carriers refuse to insure your home, it's time to sell your home and move
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I can't help thinking of the movie Chinatown. I lived in the Los Angeles area for four years and travelled throughout the state. It is a beautiful place governed by clowns.
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What outsiders don't get is that California is massive and very diverse. SoCal has a very different culture than where I live as well as different from SF.
I've long said it should be split up into 3 or more states. Its the only way less populated areas will have their interests even considered.
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87 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 13 Jan
I haven't been to Los Angeles in 30 years, but we do visit friends occasionally up in Mendocino County. God's country, if anywhere is.
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You would be blown away by the expansion of housing into the hills all around SoCal. I know I am. I can't help but think of mud slides and wild fires when I look at those beautiful houses.
When I was kid I dreamed of living in the Sierra Nevada mountains near Yosemite. I camped in this region growing up. I saw the forestry practices with my own eyes and have watched the changes and their effects. Today, there is no way I would live in this area. For one if you can get fire insurance the cost is unbelievable. I have family and friends that have lived in these areas for many years and its very frustrating for them.
They oppose the current policies and land management but really can only clear the brush on their own properties. But even that is highly restricted by the state.
My wife was just talking about using goats to clear vegetation which is a great option in some areas but has limited application in these situations.
I'm not holding my breath that this will happen as a result of these events but eventually the people will get fed up and either leave in mass or change the state government. California is a wonderful place. The government is terrible. It will fall eventually. Not sure if I will live to see it but I have zero doubt in its demise.
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Indeed. I've thought this for well over 25 years now. I still think far to many "conservative" Californians don't get how deep the rot goes.
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You fail to mention climate change...are you a denier?
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I do not see climate change as anything other than an excuse for the political to use to shelter themselves from responsibility.
The reality is that California has had several very wet years. One was a 100 year flood. Dry spells and wet spells are a part of California history.
Wild fires are not getting worse because of climate. It is far more likely to be related to management of the land.
100 years ago wild fires went on until they burned out. Man has a direct impact on the forests. I addressed this in my post.
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Will take that as a yes.
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Thank you for sharing your insights—they greatly contribute to this discussion! I agree that improving wildfire management requires a comprehensive approach, including enhanced forest management and better infrastructure. Controlled burns and stricter building codes are crucial steps.
Integrating diverse experiences can enhance these efforts by addressing the unique needs of all communities impacted, such as those in Pacific Palisades versus Altadena. Engaging these varied perspectives helps us develop fire safety strategies that are inclusive, equitable, holistic, sustainable, and effective for everyone affected.
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Thanks chatbot
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I cringe when I hear the topic of diversity come up regarding these fires, when there are longstanding structural and institutional issues that have caused the problems.
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They were ritual fires purposely set guys
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I wish darthcoin was burned somewhere in those crazy fires
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