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Why are stackers so obsessed with daily rewards?

276 sats \ 37 comments \ @Bit_Alb 4 Jan meta

This has caught my attention. It seems that some people view participation in this forum as a competition—to see who can earn the most rewards and climb higher on the leaderboard.

Rewards should be an extra benefit - a form of recognition for active participation in the forum, for the ideas you share, and for the contributions you make by posting, commenting, and zapping others. They shouldn’t become goals in and of themselves. If daily rewards turn into a primary goal, the quality of posts will inevitably decline. Stackers may start posting and commenting on meaningless content—just to stack as many sats as possible and earn more rewards the next day.

I’m convinced that if you focus your energy on doing research and writing high-quality, valuable posts, the rewards will come naturally—both through sats that your posts stack and through daily rewards. However, if your primary goal is simply to “earn” as many sats as possible by posting and commenting randomly without adding value, you’ll be wasting your energy. From what I can tell, the stackers here aren’t naive or gullible, so you won’t be able to “trick” them with such tactics.

If we want to encourage more quality content here, we should stop obsessing over rewards.

I think @ek and @k00b should hide the leaderboard. This way, no one would know how many sats they’ll receive the next day.

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36 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 4 Jan

I think @ek and @k00b should hide the leaderboard. This way, no one would know how many sats they’ll receive the next day.

Personally, I never look at the leaderboard so this wouldn't affect me.

But as a general principle, I don't think you should change what you're doing because of a few bad users. You should do what is most rewarding to your best users. If the best users like the leaderboard, it should stay. If they don't, then that's a different story.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

The leader board came into existence during a month long rewards experiment. It was something of a fun gimmick that never went away. I don't think many people particularly love it.

138 sats \ 16 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

I’m convinced that if you focus your energy on doing research and writing high-quality, valuable posts, the rewards will come naturally

I think the people earning the most rewards generally share this view.

The people obsessed with how to earn more rewards are probably frustrated that whatever it is they're trying isn't yielding the results they wanted.

47 sats \ 7 replies \ @elvismercury 4 Jan

I used to be one of those high-earners and I for sure endorse the view. Post well, comment well, zap well. Be generally decent. Rewards have followed consistently over the years.

The people obsessed with how to earn more rewards are probably frustrated that whatever it is they're trying isn't yielding the results they wanted.

The bickering about rewards is so pervasive that it's actually prompted a philosophical re-orientation a bit. We've seen, repeatedly (and you have repeatedly demonstrated in posts) that effortful content and generosity pays off. And we've seen, pervasively, people grumbling about it who generally aren't living into that simple lesson.

Sometimes untangling cause and effect is pretty complicated, but this doesn't seem like one of those times.

26 sats \ 6 replies \ @SimpleStacker 4 Jan

Well, my biggest fear for SN is that as the platform gets more popular and as Bitcoin gets more valuable, is that it will attract more and more mercenary users who are here to make a sat, and not to engage with meaningful content.

158 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

I've often argued that the rewards being obtuse is a virtue, because the heuristic of "Earn rewards for doing pro-social stuff" is what we want people to adopt.

Good systems lead bad people to do good things.

77 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury 4 Jan

Good systems lead bad people to do good things.

You should get that for your tramp stamp.

27 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

You don't know that I haven't

27 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 4 Jan

Thanks, I need mental bleach now.

26 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 4 Jan

being obtuse is a virtue

Very true from my experience as a teacher. Make the rules too clear and you get exploitative behavior. Inject a little uncertainty, and people try to behave generally good.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bit_Alb OP 4 Jan

Good systems lead bad people to do good things

Not always, but yes, it's true.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @anon 4 Jan

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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

that's a good take econ sheriff keep calling people who have different value systems to you, "dumb dickheads" though, that will take you far maybe you can also look into how your virtual friends behave on this platform and what it says about your character to be associating with them, lol

You can have different values from me, courageously anonymous guy who deletes his comments. The people I'm calling "dumb dickheads" are those who immediately assume the worst intentions in others and relentlessly besmirch their character. Get a life you dumb dickhead.

32 sats \ 4 replies \ @Skipper 4 Jan

don't waste your energy on anons lol

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

Good advice, but that's a regular stacker who's afraid to put his name on those comments.

38 sats \ 2 replies \ @Skipper 4 Jan

who is he? and why does he has beef with you and SN in general? a mad shitcoiner?

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

Not a shitcoiner. There are a bunch of sycophants of Darth here, who have a vendetta against certain stackers who they think are grifters. I haven't found their "evidence" compelling and I continue interacting with their targets.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 4 Jan

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 4 Jan

You can have different values from me, courageously anonymous guy who deletes his comments. The people I'm calling "dumb dickheads" are those who immediately assume the worst intentions in others and relentlessly besmirch their character. Get a life you dumb dickhead.

go back to your sports betting machine bro make sure to gamble away your family while you're at it

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @Aardvark 4 Jan

I think some people just get obsessed with maximizing their gains to a very unhealthy level.

I like SN, I think its extremely informative, I also like socializing when I'm on the road, and hey, I won't complain if someone gives me a zap but it's just just not worth thinking about.

Ultimately, It would probably take over a month of maximum effort to stack on SN what it would I could make by working 1 hour of overtime. So I'd prefer to just use this site for what I use it for, knowledge and a bit of fun.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bit_Alb OP 4 Jan

So I'd prefer to just use this site for what I use it for, knowledge and a bit of fun.

Exactly!

50 sats \ 4 replies \ @Skipper 4 Jan

i'm mainly shitposting comments/jokes, not posting anything, and i still get 200-400 sats per day from the Reward Pool

giving rewards only for the top10 posts/comments (instead of top 100 or whatever), that's what i would change

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 4 Jan

I'm with the shitposters, prime representative of shitposterati. LFG

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bit_Alb OP 4 Jan

i'm mainly shitposting comments/jokes, not posting anything, and i still get 200-400 sats per day from the Reward Pool

Yes, good for you. As you can see: There are still "generous" stackers who will zap you. But I'll never zap you for "shitposting comments/jokes" 😉

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @NovaRift 4 Jan

You robbed me yesterday 😨

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Skipper 4 Jan

oh ye and im about to do it again today

drop your sats

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 4 Jan

SN was way more fun before the leaderboard.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bit_Alb OP 4 Jan

I was not here at that time.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Miranda 4 Jan

I love to share valuable and relevant information and content for SN, I really enjoy that part and also acquiring sats, however due to the new change in the payments I don't know what to do with those wallets, I used to go directly to wallet, put my LN address and my cell phone would tell me it received so many sats, now I want to get some sats from my SN account and I don't know how to do it, I don't see how to do it. could you help me?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @LowK3y19 4 Jan

I don’t even know there was a leaderboard

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 4 Jan

Lol because picking up pennies in front of a steamroller is what you do if you feel you have nothing better to do with your time

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AlCoHoLnAcEtOnE 4 Jan

Yeah it doesn't make sense cuz some of the people who are at the top don't even post that day and also I've stacked more sats on shitty posts with no work involved and nothing on something I personally put together. We're dealing with humans, take it as it is. The biggest upset are these dang cowboy credits lmfao

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @7e6e393a56 4 Jan

I don't have much experience at SN, but I notice a distribution of sats that are sometimes not generated by Stacker's comment, but rather by other issues, and it's not just the leaderboard that influences this factor. Honestly, I don't believe it will change much.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Msd0457890 4 Jan

I totally agree with you. By creating more quality posts and quality content, the system, as I said in a previous comment, is perfect and will reward you wisely. You just have to apply value for value and continue learning in the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ama 4 Jan

I think @ek and @k00b should hide the leaderboard.

Where is that? Can we all look at it?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bit_Alb OP 4 Jan

Here it is: https://stacker.news/rewards

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ama 4 Jan

Thank you. I never paid attention to the daily rewards until I've seen this post, haha. I had no idea about the leader board or how the rewards were calculated.