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OK, Matt Odell—bless his soul—is clearly not reading MONEY CLASSes, and thus he missed the upbraiding he received the other week (#809392).
Instead, in last week’s Rabbit Hole recap he doubled down on this idiotic idea that there’s a limit to the value of individual assets set by the sum total of all outstanding bitcoin.
Here he is, responding (in gist?!) to a reader comment:
“He [reader] believes that, if bitcoin is the standard and it’s the reserve currency of the world, that you can have a business that is worth more than the total bitcoin supply.”
Odell: “No, that’s retarded; he’s wrong.”
Simple, obvious econ response: yes, of course you can; the price (of financial assets but really anything) is set at the margin, not for the full quantity all at once.
Further explanation: yes, correct, if Microsoft’s market capitalization equals 32 million bitcoin, obviously the entire set of outstanding shares can’t “fit” into the full amount of outstanding money. That is, using all the money in the world in an on-chain transaction (let’s pretend they can all fit) can’t pay more than 21 million (ignoring that some coins are lost), meaning nobody can “pay” something worth 32 million bitcoin ever. Thus, asset values can’t reach that.

But that’s a stupid take and, more importantly, doesn’t matter.

Nobody is transaction the full number of outstanding Microsoft shares all at once. Only a small portion of shares of publicly traded companies trade every day and obviously the sum total (the meaning of the word "market capitalization") can be worth whatever in relation to bitcoin.
Now, Odell’s intuition here is directionally correct, I think: If bitcoin is the reserve currency of the world, it will have won and will thus have eaten all the monetary premia of other assets (#830458). If so, Microsoft won’t trade at this extreme point since a lot of the reason for holding Microsoft share—including demand by pension funds and index funds etc—would be eaten up by, and transferred to, bitcoin.
In that sense, I believe he’s right, but even then there’s no reason why a certain asset won’t achieve a specific market capitalization.
The analogy I used in the Microsoft/Wealth post (#809392) was that of a city or number of commuters vs the size of a bridge. The height of the skyscrapers and the number of inhabitants isn't limited by the number of lanes on the bridge entering the city: "A functional bridge connecting two cities doesn’t need capacity for the entire fleet of cars and pedestrians to cross at the same time. It's enough that just some small share of all the cars can fit through."
So yea, somebody needs to get this in front of our beloved Odell—and then have him apologize for his silliness.
That's today's little money lesson Peace, /J
excellent analogy, about the bridge and the amount of cars to pass over it, valid to describe, the way to see the BTC as a global monetary reserve, the collection of BTC for the current market could be of transcendental weight, not only Microsoft, any company that has assets to buy BTC, and make it its reserve, when it comes to see how the ecosystem evolves, would have a powerful reserve of economy in its favor. which would be great. thanks for sharing. sats for all.
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Isn’t the total value of the shares of a company the marginal value of the last share times the whole number of shares? If so, then the marginal share value determines the total value of a company. You do not have to be able to buy the whole company with what ever currency you are using.
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That's precisely the issue, yes
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There's something a little goofy about using price times quantity to get company valuation, which might be part of the intuition here. If Elon Musk decided to sell off all of his Tesla shares, they would obviously go for much less than the current trading price (even ignoring what his selling would signal to investors). One problem with this thought experiment is that it ignores what they're worth to Elon.
Another thought about what this silly take is missing is that someone could buy the entirety of Microsoft shares for a stream of payments, rather than a lump sum. It's easy enough to work out the present discounted value of a stream of revenue and there's no reason at all that a stream of revenue can't be worth more than the stock of money.
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indeed, indeed.
Everybody sort of knows that issue with market caps... everyone gets it, take the numbers with a grain of salt. Except, it seems, Bitcoiners.
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Everybody sort of knows that issue with market caps... everyone gets it, take the numbers with a grain of salt. Except, it seems, Bitcoiners.
Case in point: Microstrategy. When people say that MSTR's strategy of issuing shares to buy bitcoin is non-dilutive because bitcoin price goes up, I always start thinking about this issue. I believe in the accounting world it's known as "mark to market" accounting, and it works well enough for companies holding a small amount of any given asset, but not when they're a huge part of the market.
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the strategy is non-dilutive because btc per share goes up
Increasing the number of shares is dilutive but the strategy is accretive because btc per share rises
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The classic "Compared to what?" rears its head.
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BTC Yield:
MicroStrategy’s key metric is BTC Yield, which measures the rate of increase in Bitcoin per share. This is the main indicator of the company’s success in acquiring more Bitcoin in a way that benefits shareholders without diluting their holdings. Their focus is on acquiring Bitcoin in a creative manner that increases the amount of Bitcoin per share, ensuring long-term value creation for shareholders.
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Interesting. That does make sense to me. But I think undisciplined's point was whether buying a MSTR share gets you more bitcoin vs just buying bitcoin directly
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I misunderstood
Buying bitcoin directly gets you more bitcoin
Except I can't buy bitcoin for my retirement accounts
When you don't know what either the supply or demand curves look like, it's reasonable enough (I guess) to just do p*q for total value. If something were obviously more accurate, we'd use it.
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I'm a slow learner so please excuse me if I'm misunderstanding, but...
When BTC is the global unit of account, doesn't that mean that 21 million BTC must account for the max value of everything in the global economy?
(value of the global economy) / 21,000,000 = The price of everything
If the denominator (21M) remains constant and the numerator changes (up or down) then the BTC price of everything within the economy would simply adjust (up or down) as the total value of the economy grows or shrinks.
Do we need to bring bridges and skyscrapers and the space/time continuum into this?
What am I missing?
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No, that's exactly wrong—and why I wrote the piece.
Easy illustration: the world has $300-trillion something of real estate, $100-trillion-something of stocks, but only $30trillion of base money (maybe 100trn of global m2). How can that be?
Precisely because what I say in the piece: assets are traded individually, with prices set on the margin, not in aggregate and all at once.
All the world's assets never have to pass through the money supply (21mil bitcoin) at any one point.
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Ok, I think I'm seeing it. I need to go back and re-read that Money Class. You might need to make a white board video series for ritardos like me.
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Hahah sure.
There must be some on the internet already. I'll find some
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It's an issue of market cap vs realised value
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