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I'm sure you've seen them, scammers on Telegram, Discord or pretty much any social media app, messaging anyone with a legitimate support request or complaint, often masquerading as known developers and personalities.
Most of these seem to belong to the same group, as their tactics and links remain constant across hundreds of attempts. There's a good chance that unlike the people calling you directly, those trying to reach you over chat are held against their will in places like Cambodia.
But how does the scheme actually work?
  1. Whoever is messaging you will try to confuse you with complicated jargon about why you may be having the problem you are having. Some answers appear to be AI-generated and even somewhat make sense! The goal is to overwhelm you and submit to your support representative.
  2. You will likely be directed to a phishing page like the one below. The scammer might say they have to "check the database" or "authorize the refund." For this you have to connect your wallet. Once you click on "connect" you are shown a long list of wallets and services. It doesn't really matter which one you click on.
  1. Once you click on any of the wallets, a window will open. You can click on "connect automatically," which will show you a fake progress bar and eventually error out. Tough luck, the system now needs your seed phrase!
  1. Once the seed phrase is out, the scammer will likely pressure you into entering more seed phrases. They might hold back on emptying your wallet right away if they see it doesn't hold a lot of funds. They might try to deflect the problem to another app you were using, e.g. literally any wallet or service.
⚠️Obligatory advice⚠️: Write your seed phrase on a piece of paper using a pencil. Fold it, seal it with some tape or a sticker and put it somewhere safe. You're almost guaranteed to never need it. Seed phrases are not meant to be entered anywhere, unless in case of a terrible disaster. A disaster so rare, the average Bitcoiner never experiences it. One idea: Store your seed phrase at least an 3h train/car ride away from you, so that you have enough time to think on the way over why it is that you need your seed phrase, because as I said above, you almost surely don't.
I still don't get how people get scammed so easily in 2025. Shit is so obvious. Writting seedphrases on a browser, facepalm.
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Part of the problem is that people think that their physical hardware wallet contains their bitcoin. People talk about moving their bitcoin off of exchanges. Which wallet should I store my bitcoin, etc. Bitcoin is always on the blockchain and never moves off it, Bitcoin is never in a "wallet". More precisely, UTXOs are on the blockchain. Your keys are encrypted and stored securely in a hardware wallet. The keys are what needs to be moved off exchanges and protected. Not so much the hardware wallet itself. People mistakenly think that if they protect their physical hardware wallet, then they have it all covered because they think their bitcoin are in the wallet itself. I encourage we communicate these terms accurately to help newbies build a better mental model of how Bitcoin works. Knowledge is the key.
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108 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 18 Dec
The keys are what needs to be moved off exchanges and protected
you don't move keys off exchanges though, you’re sending bitcoins to an address for which only you have the private keys
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You are right. Thank you. Keys don't move. Sometimes exchanges allow you to move their bitcoin, the ones you paid for, to an address for which you alone have the private keys. Only at that point does the Bitcoin become truly yours.
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Ek's a studied fine letter printer.
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8 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 18 Dec
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As long as they don't start humping me, I'm as cool as Jon Snow.
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You are right
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Unfortunately it's probably going to take a long time for people to build a resistance to these scams. Knowledge of how the system works is always the best weapon.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Skipper 17 Dec
I think the people are just stupid.
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They actually are.
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Storing your single seed phrase on a piece of paper with tape a 3-hour train ride away is frankly not the best advice. Stamping your 2 of 4 multi-sig seed phrases on steel and storing each of them in four separate secure locations is a better plan. You want your high value HODL wallet that you plan to save for years to be difficult to reach but extremely secure to everyone including yourself. You can secure the 4 seeds in different cities, different countries, even different continents.
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