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I am not an altcoiner or big blocker and neither is Mechanic or Luke but they both support CTV and understand the importance of covenants. I highly recommend you watch Mechanic's latest video here: https://youtu.be/4Dxc5hiseTc

Furthermore I highly recommend the following 2 articles from Lopp and Shinobi:

Why bitcoin needs covenants: https://blog.casa.io/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/ How CTV can help bitcoin scale: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/how-ctv-can-help-scale-bitcoin

And if you know any actual developers please let them know they can express their opinion here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support

If this is the best populum fallacy you can cobble together that's pretty sad. Shinobi is the worst example you can give, total ignorant clown.

sane proponents who will disavow these clowns

No one is credible until they publicly call out the Ark / vTXO people scammers for their bullshit claims, only then can we discuss risk/reward.

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