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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @ch0k1 OP 20 Nov \ parent \ on: Two undersea internet cables connecting Finland & Sweden to Europe have been cut news
Lol, do you really think China is the only county in the world that needs gas?
Forgive my naivety but I've only heard of cases that businesses and whole industries die because of the lack of suppliers and not the vise versa...
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Oil revenue is a lifeline for the Iranian and Russian economies, but Western sanctions have jeopardized both countries’ ability to ship oil and receive payments.
Western sanctions are nothing but a weapon in the hands of a bullie. With all my respect but who do westerners think they are to be in a position to sanction anybody? Are they some sort of a high spirit or God? And for what? Starting a war? Hypocrisy to it's finest! Aren't the US the country that is causing (directly or indirectly the highest number or coups and wars worldwide?
Other popular "westerner" hoax is that Russia is the aggressor who is very dangerous because of the high chance of using nuclear weapons... shut up, another hypocrisy by US because it's them who history proves to be the only aggressor who ever dared to drop nukes over innocent people on the opposite side of the globe without even being threatened at all - just for fun!
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Gas is expensive to ship - it is prone to being captive to a limited market/s within the reach of available pipelines.
With Nordstream pipeline/s closed combined with western sanctions, Russias strategic gas production income is now mainly dependent upon sales to China.
China gets Russias oil and gas exports at discounted prices.
It pays a similar below market price for Iranian oil.
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In response, Iran and Russia have redirected oil shipments to China—the world’s largest importer of crude oil. In 2023, China saved a reported ten billion dollars by purchasing crude oil from sanctioned countries such as Iran and Russia.
This is not from yesterday - Russia, China and Iran have trading relationships for ages + what's wrong of other countries to trade in whatever prices with whatever currencies they want? Maybe because they are "unlawfully" bypassing "westerners" causing them to lose money?
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Yes China has been supporting Iran for many years ignoring the US sanctions.
Russia only invaded once they had signed a mutual support pact with China.
There will be many different perspectives and opinions on what is 'right or wrong'.
Fact remains - China has gained significantly from the sabotage of the Nordstream pipelines.
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How can we know?
China is unlikely to admit it, if they, or proxies, were responsible.
My point remains that China is the biggest gainer from the sabotage.
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You cannot blame just like that based on gut feel and side consequences - weren't "innocent until proving the opposite" the main motto of westerner "democratic" laws? 🤔
Anyway, at least we have an agreement on who is the biggest gainer economically but maybe there's another aspect politically which we haven't yet exercised... (will leave it for other time)
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Not saying China did or didn't orchestrate the sabotage- we can only say they did gain from its results.
Yes there are probably many aspects we have not covered and we might never know the truth about who was behind the Nordstream sabotage - all we can do is speculate based on what we do know and accept its hard to know the truth.
Its certainly a fascinating topic given the broad proxy war that is now ongoing between China and the west and which is barely acknowledged in most narratives and news streams.
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