The effort to keep the low carbohydrate diet out of the guidelines, despite evidence shown, there is rigorous evidence, multiple clinical trials to show it is the only nutritional approach that can successfully reverse a diagnosis of type two diabetes.

It's the best approach for managing type one diabetes in almost every head to head trial. It does better than a low fat diet for helping people lose weight. It permits satiety.

Now there's emerging evidence that it helps with anxiety, depression, kidney disease, polycystic ovarian syndrome. There's an explosion in the body of literature showing the benefits of this diet, and that is all being ignored.

And one other example, we also now have 23 systematic reviews looking at saturated fat and whether there's evidence to show that they cause heart disease. And 22 out of 23 of these, they all say no effect on cardiovascular mortality or total mortality.

That is, if you replace saturated fats by seed oils, that does not benefit you in all in terms of when you die. And most of these reviews say there's little to no effect on heart disease or events like heart attack.

So all of those reviews, we submitted them, we had experts going to talk to the people at our government agencies, saying we can't ignore this evidence. I mean, it's incredible. We really went faithfully through the whole public process and all of those reviews were ignored.

So there is not any openness to real science is all I can say. There's an effort to suppress it, ignore it actively.