I misread it earlier as _liberty is granted to man_

> liberty is granted by man (in one guise or another).

So if is granted by man... to who? Not sure men or woman want to grant liberty to someone else.

I think living, breathing men and women want freedom.

Rothbardian_fanatic

They indeed are! Not sure if men or women really want liberty… maybe persons does

supratic

ideasfromtheedge

On the Radical Difference between Liberty and Freedom

The difference between freedom and liberty is that freedom is natural or "god given" and cannot be "alienated" whereas liberty is granted by man (in one guise or another).
They are two very different creatures.