...He sees tariffs as leverage in negotiations, as a means to protect U.S. industries and as a source of revenue to pay for other initiatives. During the campaign, Trump suggested he would use the additional revenue from new tariffs to lower taxes and pay off debt. At one point he even floated the idea of eliminating income tax and replacing it with tariffs altogether – an idea that economists have quickly dismissed....
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24 sats \ 10 replies \ @Satosora 13 Nov
They never were.
Arent they meant to push production in your own nation?
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391 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 13 Nov
Actually, they were the primary source of government revenue, prior to 1913.
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136 sats \ 0 replies \ @freetx 13 Nov
Yes, moreover the creation of Fed Reserve in 1913 wasn't only gangbuster legislation that year...also was same year of creation of Income Tax. This isn't by accident.
After their 2 previous central banks, they realized they needed permanent funding mechanism in place to pay interest on the debt. So tariffs were scrapped and Income Taxes became the new thing.
In theory this is path back to no Fed: (a) Institute tariffs, (b) massively lower income taxes, (c) allow alternative currencies to prosper (ie bitcoin). (d) eventually do away with Fed and permanently end Income Taxes.
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15 sats \ 0 replies \ @kilianbuhn 13 Nov
, when the governmwnt was still a lot smaller.
ftfy
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10 sats \ 6 replies \ @0xbitcoiner OP 13 Nov
Do you mean that low tariffs in the US help increase production in other countries? If so, I think so.
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22 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 13 Nov
I think he means the opposite. High tariffs are protectionist measures that retain domestic production.
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14 sats \ 2 replies \ @kilianbuhn 13 Nov
true but only in the short to medium term
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 13 Nov
In the long run, reality always wins.
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 13 Nov
I think it is meant to, but as you know....government policies never work.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @kilianbuhn 13 Nov
low tariffs everywhere enable every geographic place to use their comparative advantage which makes everyone on earth (including the global poor AND american middle class) richer in the long term
So yes, it increases production in other countries because it increases production everywhere 🏭
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 23h
free trade empowers the comparative advantage. let each nation and people do what they do best...
Then more people will be lifted out of poverty by lower prices and greater productivity.
Tariffs do not accomplish this.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 13 Nov
Tariffs fuel inflation.
Tariffs are an admission of failure to have a globally competitive productive economy.
The USA has been reliant upon its hegemony over the global monetary and regulatory framework for decades.
There is no easy fix.
USA has been living beyond its means and accumulated crippling debt that nobody can see ever being repaid.
Radical changes are needed and radical adaption will be the result.
There will be pain.
China has won the trade war and is now engaged in reverse engineering the USAs legacy hegemony.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @0xbitcoiner OP 13 Nov
Could you elaborate on that?
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33 sats \ 3 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23h
Yeah ok- China since Deng opened up has focused on taking on the west at its own game.
China has size and massive resources- population, land and the ability to direct capital and human resources in a way the west does not.
They set out very methodically to make things cheaper than other manufacturing economies and they have succeeded. By taking each element of the economy, labour, skills, infrastructure, capital allocation, investment, energy development etc you build an economy that produces almost everything cheaper- more efficiently than your competitors.
At that point you gain control over commodity producers- you can pay the best prices and you are the largest buyer globally- in some commodities you invest in gaining ownership of the supply chain outside of China.
Ultimately you build a global economy of infrastructure- roads, rail, shipping.
Today China builds half of the shipping globally and is building ports globally.
USA today builds 1% of shipping.
A key part of Chinas success has been based on reverse engineering- western companies would set up factories to make their products in China with its lower overheads- Chinese would study and blueprint the factory process and then duplicate it- spawning multiple near identical factories producing the same product at ever lower cost- and outside of the control of the original western producer.
USA cannot compete with the concerted economic model China has built- so USA imposes tariffs which increase the cost to the consumer and protect un-competitive US producers.
China has won the trade war and it did it over a period of multiple decades building step by step upon its natural advantages.
Putting on tariffs does not reverse Chinas advantage- it can still and will still be more efficient at producing most goods and will still control most global commodity markets.
It is now logical for China to extend its strategy to control over protocols- like payment protocols- using the E-Yuan CBDC which it has already developed. It will almost certainly be the base protocol for any wider BRICS Pay alternative to SWIFT.
When you have won the trade war already you must extend your reach into the tertiary levels of economic, trade, monetary and military protocols.
USD hegemony developed from USAs trade domination and military advantage.
China is now rising while USA is on the defensive- tariffs are a significant symptom of that.
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @0xbitcoiner OP 23h
thank you for developing this point. I think saying it has already won is an exaggeration, but I see your point. Maybe it's winning in electric cars? For me, almost everything that comes from China is of poor quality, but sometimes I buy it too, depending on what it is. For example, I won't buy electric things anymore!
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Solomonsatoshi 22h
Where was your phone/computer made?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner OP 22h
I don't know, but probably in China. But it's not a Chinese brand. That's not all, but usually Chinese brands have lower quality standards.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @B_rian 13 Nov
I think they may be in the future as globalism wains during population decline.
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