Your focus now is to get them to make a false or fraudulent claim against you. So, focus on the truth and look for this within the conversation; steer the discussion in that direction.
Listen to the words they are saying; you will be listening for key words or phrases, such as legal or illegal, mandate, law, notice, would, could, etc.
Note: Before the conversation begins, you can give them notice of your charges if you wish. Say £1000 per hour. This works particularly well with a business, during opening hours.
For example: If you own a café then the business you are in would be to serve food and beverages, so a well-placed notice on the wall near the counter would show a list of charges for business not related to serving food.
Point this out to them on camera; it is now a legally binding contract, if they choose to continue.
Before you begin this discussion, know that you have no contract with them, so continue to ask them to prove what they are saying.
This can begin with your name.
Note: You are under no obligation to identify yourself to anyone, ever.
If they try and make a claim of who you are, ask them do they have any evidence to back up their claim?
Perhaps they may ask who owns the business or whose car or home it is.
Know they have no right to ask you this, so return with a question asking them “am I obligated to answer?”, which of course you are not.
Note: An obligation means a prior written and signed contract with the person asking the question. You know such a contract does not exist, so you already know the answer to this question.
If they answer you are obligated, ask under what authority, and know you’re well on your way to setting them up.
If they quote any legislation:
Ask them: “Do they have any evidence that it applies to me?” You know they don’t.
Ask them: “Under what authority have I given you to apply legislation to me?” You know they have none, as you never gave any.
Note: No one, including a judge, police officer or lawyer, have the lawful and legal right to force ANY legislation on you, ever.
If they quote a legal fiction:
Ask them: “You do know you’re using a legal fiction, and I will require the name of the person making the claim. Who is making the claim?”
Note: They are using the name of your corporation, so treat it as a business or company, and ask them “who is it they wish to see within said corporation?”
If they do not give you a name of the person making the claim, then ask them are they aware that they will be liable for their actions? As the claim they are making shall be theirs.
You are not interested in any third party, so if they try and say they’re working on behalf of someone else, then ask who?
Ask if they are the agent and if so then who is the principal?
If they give you a name, then make a note of it, as they will also be held liable through vicarious liability.
Note: Your whole plan is to set up your first point of contact, which is the person you are directly talking to, but you shall also be trying to get others, higher up within the organisation, legally bound up and liable for any false claims made against you.
The higher up you go within a corporation, the higher the amount of each claim you shall make.
Setting Them Up