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10 sats \ 17 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct \ parent \ on: Do you OWN your name ? AskSN
although I don't know how well you'd be able to participate in society without one.
Is there any law that force me to "participate in a society" ?
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0 sats \ 13 replies \ @nullama 31 Oct
Usually, yes, but it's opt-in.
When a person is born, the parents usually register the baby in the country.
That makes the new person participate in a society as a citizen of that country. The parents have to sign a legal document to make it so.
Of course it was not the decision of the baby in this case, and the baby can, at some point in the future, if they decide to, remove their own citizenship.
Unless you were born in Argentina, which is the only country that doesn't allow the removal of their citizenship.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 31 Oct
a person is born
with a signature
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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
What is a "citizenship" ?
When a person is born, the parents usually register the baby in the country.
Is not this a violation of a basic right, freedom of association?
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @nullama 31 Oct
Is not this a violation of a basic right, freedom of association?
In the example above, the guardians of the baby made a decision for that person.
The baby, when older, is free to disassociate from that country and join another one, or do as they please.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
So, in other words that forced "association" without consent became null, void. In other words, nobody can force you to do anything without your consent, right?
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @nullama 31 Oct
It's not forced.
The parents are the legal guardians of the child, so for all intents and purposes it is the same as if the child decided to become a citizen themselves.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
The parents are the legal guardians of the child
Why do you keep saying "legal" and not "natural" ? What is the meaning of the word "parent" ?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @nullama 31 Oct
Legal guardian is a more broad term that includes natural guardian:
A minor child's parents are the child's natural guardians
What is the meaning of the word "parent" ?
A parent in this case refers to either the progenitor of a child or the adoptive parent.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
Here is the meaning of the word parent: #527852
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @nullama 31 Oct
"a membership and allegiance to a sovereign state"
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
Can a state be sovereign? Who is this "State" ?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullama 31 Oct
Can a state be sovereign?
Yes. A sovereign state is a state that has authority over a territory.
Who is this "State" ?
There are hundreds of different states currently in the world, each one of them with different rules. For example, in some of them you don't get citizenship by simply being born there, you need to have extra requirements, like your parents being permanent residents or citizens themselves first.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
a state that has authority over a territory.
And WHO gives that authority to a state? What does it means the word "authority" ?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Aardvark 31 Oct
No, you can't legally be forced to participate in society. I would argue that the current laws make it very difficult to opt out of society and retain a high quality of life though.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 31 Oct
legally be forced
Another term that is ambiguous. How can you be "forced" by a law (aka contract) that you never consent it?
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark 31 Oct
That's easy. Someone with a bigger stick than you decides what the law is, and if you break it, they hit you with that stick. Whoever has the biggest stick makes the laws.
You can certainly argue about the morality of how laws are created and enforced, but i wouldn't argue too much with the guy holding the stick 😉
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