I was reading this post #737731 by @teemupleb and thought that a trusted guardian stacker, well known to the community, could start a federation for those stackers who want to detach their wallets but can't find a good solution?
What do stackers think? Is there a need? Would it make sense? Is it already in the works?
Fedimints are complicated and not necessary in this case. Here I wrote more simple "uncle Jim" scenarios:
A simple LNbits is more than enough and simple to manage.
Steps to do it:Steps to do it:
Done, You are a LN bank now. All this scenario take 30 min to install.
IMHO, cowboy credits are just fine for SN.
I was dozing off last night and barely remembered I posted it when I woke up this morning! I read your uncle Jim guide a while ago and this was the first thing I thought of when SN announced they were going self custodial. The reason I started thinking fedi was really all the reasons you have been talking about, like with @Undisciplined yesterday. @justin_shocknet hasn't chimed in for a while. I was sort of hoping he would come up with a good simple UI that would onboard everyone. Maybe if he posts a guide? I guess there is still too much work to be done.
IMHO, LightningPub is a a wonderful solution. I was playing around with it a bit. Still needs more improvements and fixes, is still early for massive use. But that doesn't mean knowledgeable bitcoiners should not try it and communicate with Justin all the issues and improve it.
I know he's busy coding and usually devs do not have time to spend on SN. That's why they have me :) as the interface to talk and support the users.
You already have it here: https://docs.shock.network/ But needs some more "love" adding more details. I was thinking to update it, but I also need to study more LN.pub and Shock wallet to be able to have a clear view of how is going.
Maybe I will write a full Darth guide about Shockwallet for newbies. IDK when.
nevertheless, even using solutions like LNBits, Alby, LN pub etc, we still do not solve the friction problem, using an external wallet with SN.
I stand my ground: keep cowboy credits for upvotes and zaps (sats) as extra separate appreciation for OP.
For example right now I zap you 100 sats. So SN is intercepting that zap and create a LN invoice of 70 sats from your node and pay it. All this could be avoided, fees, friction, liquidity etc that is created for nothing if the zap is truly p2p separately from SN. People will find out soon that Darth is always right.
Yes, that's my point. I know how you feel about cc's, but I think the consensus is that SN loses something without real bitcoin. Even fedi isn't a perfect substitute.
Is not about my "feelings" towards CCs. is more about a lot of experience running LN nodes and experimenting with a lot of stuff... I am not talking just for talking.
You will see many posts after 5th Nov... with people not understanding what is going on and where are their sats. A lot of chaos I foresee.
I meant your opinion, not your emotions.😀 IMO there is no substitute for real bitcoin for incentivizing quality content. Cowboy credits will work, and they will be easier, but then what distinguishes SN from reddit? Didn't they even start their own Shitcoin?
Can you explain
I'm having trouble visualizing what you mean here.
Yo, sorry been swamped and traveling again this week.
I don't have many nice things to say about anything claiming its federated, can probably dig my history on the subject here... but I do have a better UX for stacker with Lightning.Pub.
It requires SN to implement the new NIPs for it. It's very light lift to add, but I know the SN team juggles a lot of priorities too. I've kicked in a bounty to help grease things a bit.
Idea is that you just enter a Lightning address into SN then hit approve in your wallet.
https://private-user-images.githubusercontent.com/34176400/374650532-528cacfc-d250-43de-976c-43354834abfe.mp4?jwt=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.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.Ahan3qdqqb6r83ng8-eJsoJLiXwYNAH33GctfCuW-Hs
Thanks for the info
I would join just for the sake of joining.
Congrats Siggy, you are the trusted stacker, and just gave yourself a new project.
Make @siggy47 President!
dictator!
Shut up! Or I campaign for you to be Vice President
I posted this while half dozing off last night. I woke up this morning thinking "did I post something before I fell asleep?"
Are you asking him to start a fedi?
Well, he did suggest it. I would join.
I'll also join if either of you or he does it.
let's call the federation Coin Join lol
Siggy is a lawyer, we can trust him lol, as long as we know where his pets live
Has never been spoken about anyone, ever
or JoinUS
join us not USA
I like the idea. I will join.
I nominate @Sahkaan_Wahlook. Can I get a second? Downzap for yes.
Who better?
The Fedimint Web SDK could be super helpful for this!!! We could have a client-managed fedimint wallet load directly inside the browser!
https://web.fedimint.org
Seems logical. Like isn't this the type of application fedi is for?
This is still not first party. The problem is when people expire or loose keys for fed wallets. Those bitcoin are lost, permanently! Not your keys, not your coins!
Better yet, something to teach people how to make cold wallets or paper wallets. Your keys, your coins!
I think it's a great idea!
cowboy credits are similar to e cash?
Please do it. I'll also join. You'll be the best guardian stacker.
Yes!
I would join SN federation/fedimint
Is there a good, comprehensive guide to creating one?
I can't help thinking of the old Groucho Marx line: "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member."