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0 sats \ 15 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 22 Oct \ parent \ on: Minneapolis Fed's paper on banning Bitcoin to maintain "permanent deficits" bitcoin
Do not agree.
Suspect you would be a quivering shivering whimpering wreck if placed into a situation where the nation state is weak or non-existant and left to fend for yourself.
Human are weaklings on their own- have you watched 'Alone'?
Humans have gained their dominance by being in groups.
We may not sometimes like nation state over reach either and can and should protest it- Bitcoin is a classic and elegant example of this- but do not delude myself that the nation state is not the primary mechanism which determines the global allocation of wealth and resources. Go live in a third world nation if you do not understand.
Can also stand on my record of fighting the nation state in the face of its excesses while all around me stood by and said - 'yes what they are doing is bad, you cannot do that' well I did and I exposed them but I accept there are many with many bold words of protest but few with the action to confront the nation state when push comes to shove.
You are confused. Being in groups doesn't justify states at all. The state is not a group, it is a gang, whose mission is to enslave you.
It is perfectly possible to live in tribes, towns, even regions and continents, without the rule of a mafia gang. It happened in the past with no problem whatsoever. For example, the native Americans, the Spanish before the Roman empire, the vikings, most of Africa just some hundred years ago, etc, etc.
Abusing and imposing over others is in our DNA because we have an ego, but natural law and the NAP is also in our DNA. It only depends on what side you choose.
And it is possible to go a transition: people remove more and more power from the states until it has none. But it probably requires a massive socialist apocalypse, which will happen.
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The state is not a group?
Really
You are confused.
Yes people can live in small groups where they are not accessible to larger more organised and weaponised groups- but once they come in contact, brother- its all on and you do not want to be in the smaller group.
The contest for resources goes back to the emergence of life- pre-sentient microbial life.
Today humans in nation state groups are organised in a hierarchy that allocates the resources depending upon a mix of trade, leverage and threat of force.
Agree there is a degree of choice within how we act and respond to the natural competitive nature of life. But there is also a limit to it and when you cannot even recognise nation states as the primary organised grouping its hard to know where to go from there.
IMO people in 'the west' who have enjoyed being on the winning side of imperialism mostly for centuries lack sufficient appreciation for this reality.
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I rectify: the state is a group of gangsters. Not a good group, because you cannot choose to be in it or not, and, as you say, it is organized in a hierarchy of force.
The NAP and the natural moral law doesn't go against groups, only against groups that use coercion and violence. Under this, you can participate of any group that you like and you are accepted, which is very contrary to what states do: impose and destroy your choice, enslaving you.
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Again, your statist mind is speaking.
WHO fund the nation states conflicts?
Answer this question and you will have the solution.
A nation state will never go against a single individual.
And the most powerful nation state IS the individual. The sovereign individual.
But if you still want to be a shitizen, inside your nation state (prison), go ahead, I have nothing against that. But do not try to put me inside with you. I do not consent.
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No, most individuals are incapable of surviving alone. Watch Alone!
Try living in the bush for a week. Learn how weak you are alone!
Nations states compete for dominance- it is in the DNA of life.
If you want to be a rock alone ok good luck - otherwise the quality life for most people is largely reliant on the strength of the nation state they happen to be part of.
For myself I am happy to pay taxes and be a part of the democratic process as apathetic and disengaged and cynical as so many sadly are now- its worth fighting for. I accept the benefits of living in a liberal western democracy and the extensive freedoms that I can enjoy within it.
I believe I enjoy greater freedom than the vast majority of people on earth- I can do as I please within fairly liberal and reasonable boundaries.
That said IMO Bitcoin is a healthy competitive challenge to the overly embedded fiat hegemony composed of rentseeking private bankers that has captured our governments.
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Your "liberal western democracy" is rapidly de-evolving into communism. Because that's what democracies tend to. And even in communism, a lot of people are happy, because they love slavery and avoid responsibility at any cost. It's called evil people, and there are only two possible outcomes for this:
- Evil (socialist) people win, then massive destruction and suffering will happen.
- Good (anarchist) people win, then we initiate a massive evolution that will carry us to the stars and impressive technology and good life.
And the state is the tool of the evil people, people who do not want to be responsible of their acts. Bitcoin is the tool of good people, the people who want to be responsible of their acts.
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There are definitely problems in western liberal democracies.
Democracies depend upon enough citizens being prepared to voluntarily contribute to the process and believe in the process and I accept that willingness to contribute and believe is breaking down.
For me capture of elected representatives by corproate sponsors is a major cause of the cynicism and apathy which is evident.
I see Bitcoin as a significant potential challenge to the corporate sponsors and crony capitalists (bankers), but citizen apathy is another side of the same coin.
Got to go to dinner.
cheers.
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You misunderstand- in most democracies you are not forced to participate in the democratic process.
Democracy depends on enough people voluntarily engaging and participating or it becomes more and more operated by a small group of cronies who dominate the process.
This is what has already happened and western liberal democracies show many signs of dying.
You might find what replaces them even less to your liking.
But then it will be too late to easily do much about it.
Ask the majority of people on this planet, who do not live in the liberal western democracies- the developing and third world who live in the scraps we leave them after plundering the best of their resources.
Entitles and naive Libertarians are arguably complicit with handing over global hegemony to China.
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I accept the reality of the power structures as they are...not blindly accepting them or totally rejecting them- but working with the reality.
We are all the government.
You think you can live outside the state- I wager one million satoshis you would not last long outside of the structures the state provides you.
Its all empty echo chamber Libertarian bravado.
Go on Alone and see how long you last- I give you 12 hours before you'd be a whimpering wreck begging for a blanket, a hamburger and a coke.
For myself I am happy to pay taxes and be a part of the democratic process
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Fails to respond with reasoned fact based dialogue.
Loses, by default, the good faith contest of ideas.
Descends to trollery.
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I do not have to talk with a statist.
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You cannot refute my points.
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