If you want to increase racism and make all parties involved more resentful, go ahead and enact reparations. It’s just another unwarranted, immoral redistribution of wealth on top of the unwarranted, immoral redistribution of wealth from slaves who died well over a century ago. Nothing else will be accomplished except assuage the guilt of some descendants of slaveowners by giving all living descendants of slaves money from people who for the most part aren’t descendants of slaveowners.
The Japanese received some compensation in 1988 for lost property from 1942 to 1945.
The Japanese situation was different. The time gap was 43 years. Compensation was given to the actual Japanese who were interred, not their descendants who were never interred.
So many of your answers only give a part of the story. You seem too smart to be this misinformed. You seem very purposeful.
Congress provided $38 million in reparations in 1948 and forty years later paid an additional $20,000 to each surviving individual who had been detained in the camps
Congress provided $38 million in reparations in 1948 and forty years later paid an additional $20,000 to each surviving individual who had been detained in the camps
But reparations are for grievances. Simply fitting a racial category doesn't qualify a person for reparation of the grievances of some people who fit the same racial category. For instance, someone who immigrated to the USA from an African country in the last couple decades doesn't have the same grievances as people who came here involuntarily in previous centuries.
Why do you so over simplify? This is just wrong. Blacks from Africa, Caribbean, Europe do not count in American reparations and they are not what is meant by Black in these discussions.
This discussion is extremely timely with a presidential candidate of Jamaican descent claiming to be "black" but if anyone the British owe reparations to Jamaicans, no? Etc.
This is a really difficult subject.
I do believe there should be some.
But I dont believe it should be in a monetary way.
I would be better if the lineage were given ways to support themselves better.
Government jobs, paid scholarships.
But it is hard to determine who would get them, and for the people that cant trace their lineage, they are screwed.
So it is a very hard subject.
It will be hard to please everyone.
I also think the plantation owners and their lineage should also have to pay a price.
But you have to remember, it was legal in the past.
What they were doing may not have been right, but it was legal.
So there is a lot of gray area.
Absolutely not. There is no sound solution. If we could find a way to give some resources to black people that are over 60 that deserve it, then I am all for it. But there hasn’t been a solution that is remotely plausible.
Exactly. I’m referring to when it was illegal to charge more money to black people or have policies that discriminated on race/color. Civil Rights Act of 1964
People that were directly affected against policies that are now illegal, are over 60 and most likely over 80. And 80 year old was 20 and trying to get a loan for a house when he found out he couldn’t because of the color of his skin.
It should not be monetary. No one alive today directly participated in or was directly affected by slavery so making someone pay money to someone else doesn’t make sense. That would have been best to do as soon as slavery was abolished.
I think if anything it should be assistance with education tuition similar to what the GI bill did after WWII.
We need reparations for white people. Far more whites have been killed and far more has been robbed from us in taxes and robberies than ever was taken from blacks.
Extortion is the unlawful act of obtaining money, property, or services from another person through the use of force, threats, or coercion. It involves an illegitimate demand or request made by one party to another, often accompanied by a credible threat of harm, injury, or damage to the victim’s person, property, or reputation.
is the definition of extortion, why should reparations be the extortion then? You argue that slavery was not extortion because it was lawful at some point. If this is the only argument, you can make a law to make repartition lawful, can’t you?
Extortion is the unlawful act of obtaining money, property, or services from another person through the use of force, threats, or coercion. It involves an illegitimate demand or request made by one party to another, often accompanied by a credible threat of harm, injury, or damage to the victim’s person, property, or reputation.
Because you are forcing non slave owners to pay non slaves
There is zero moral justification for reparations. It’s simply extortion. I refuse to accept the premise that reparations are due. Agreeing to any plan, e.g., that Democrats would be the ones to pay, implicitly accepts that reparations are just. Such acceptance would undermine any moral foundation for the country’s legal system, which has already been significantly debased.
Justice is irrelevant to this discussion so far. If the country passes a law to compensate descendants of slaves, the act of using public money to pay that compensation would be legal, and therefore not extortion. The same as slavery, having been legal, was not extortion.
I think they are due-if actions made against their person was made.
Black folks are unfortunately more reliant on gov't assistant, but this is by design.
They must be aware of the system.
Then, file for SPC to become a private man/women, then justice against their person can be served if they still desire so.
I don't like the survey question. Justice is justice. What is this social justice stuff.
Precedence says yes. Also, American slave owners got reparations for lost property, but the labor wasn't paid for lost wages.
Their wages weren't stolen in the same way and the enslaved could not own property, but you know these things already don't you?
Arguing with him is always a losing battle.
Battle, yes. I don't know about that losing part.
Mark Twain also said, "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference".
That's true, but each year I care less and less about what onlookers think.
I would change it if I saw this earlier
Reparations is not justice. It's extortion.
What precedent says yes?
I just want to be left alone.
This!
If you want to increase racism and make all parties involved more resentful, go ahead and enact reparations. It’s just another unwarranted, immoral redistribution of wealth on top of the unwarranted, immoral redistribution of wealth from slaves who died well over a century ago. Nothing else will be accomplished except assuage the guilt of some descendants of slaveowners by giving all living descendants of slaves money from people who for the most part aren’t descendants of slaveowners.
Do you mean to say reparations will make non-racist people racist?
Reparations are fine for things that actually happened in the recent future, to people who are still alive.
Slavery was a long, long, time ago.
I think it's kind of problematic. The former slaves are dead since long ago. Slave owners and people who supported the system are also long dead.
So people who never owned slaves will give reparations to people who never were slaves.
What do you mean "black people" and who will pay these reparations?
In America, descendents of the enslaved. Same people who paid the interred Japanese Americans.
I don't think I ever heard that the interred Japanese Americans were compensated for their inconvenience.
The Japanese received some compensation in 1988 for lost property from 1942 to 1945.
The Japanese situation was different. The time gap was 43 years. Compensation was given to the actual Japanese who were interred, not their descendants who were never interred.
So many of your answers only give a part of the story. You seem too smart to be this misinformed. You seem very purposeful.
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This is easy to research.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/japanese-american-incarceration#:~:text=Congress%20provided%20%2438%20million%20in,been%20detained%20in%20the%20camps.
14 percent of USA population is "black"
Black person is anyone who can benefit from affirmative action or DEI
But reparations are for grievances. Simply fitting a racial category doesn't qualify a person for reparation of the grievances of some people who fit the same racial category. For instance, someone who immigrated to the USA from an African country in the last couple decades doesn't have the same grievances as people who came here involuntarily in previous centuries.
descendents of slaves
grievance is my ancestors were slaves therefore I should receive compensation
There are many black people who are not the descendants of slaves, or who are not the descendants of American slavery.
non descendants would not be eligible for reparations
Why do you so over simplify? This is just wrong. Blacks from Africa, Caribbean, Europe do not count in American reparations and they are not what is meant by Black in these discussions.
This discussion is extremely timely with a presidential candidate of Jamaican descent claiming to be "black" but if anyone the British owe reparations to Jamaicans, no? Etc.
If we are talking trans-Atlantic African slave trade era then of course, Brazil, Jamaica, Bermuda, Belize, Honduras, Mexico, Etc.
Kamala Harris claims to be Black, but would not meet, and would not claim U.S. reparations per requirements as typically outlined.
This is a really difficult subject. I do believe there should be some. But I dont believe it should be in a monetary way. I would be better if the lineage were given ways to support themselves better. Government jobs, paid scholarships. But it is hard to determine who would get them, and for the people that cant trace their lineage, they are screwed. So it is a very hard subject. It will be hard to please everyone. I also think the plantation owners and their lineage should also have to pay a price. But you have to remember, it was legal in the past. What they were doing may not have been right, but it was legal. So there is a lot of gray area.
40 acres and a mule!
I vote no, I think it is the most fair.
Of course no never
Absolutely not. There is no sound solution. If we could find a way to give some resources to black people that are over 60 that deserve it, then I am all for it. But there hasn’t been a solution that is remotely plausible.
You mean acceptable.
I mean plausible. I didn’t mistype.
I misread. I thought it said possible.
why over the age of 60? People born before 1964?
Exactly. I’m referring to when it was illegal to charge more money to black people or have policies that discriminated on race/color. Civil Rights Act of 1964 People that were directly affected against policies that are now illegal, are over 60 and most likely over 80. And 80 year old was 20 and trying to get a loan for a house when he found out he couldn’t because of the color of his skin.
It should not be monetary. No one alive today directly participated in or was directly affected by slavery so making someone pay money to someone else doesn’t make sense. That would have been best to do as soon as slavery was abolished.
I think if anything it should be assistance with education tuition similar to what the GI bill did after WWII.
We need reparations for white people. Far more whites have been killed and far more has been robbed from us in taxes and robberies than ever was taken from blacks.
Whites don't need reparations
You are correct about robbery and legal plunder
I don’t have opinion on this.
If this
is the definition of extortion, why should reparations be the extortion then? You argue that slavery was not extortion because it was lawful at some point. If this is the only argument, you can make a law to make repartition lawful, can’t you?
*reparation not repartition 🤣
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Look at the poll
Try voting
Before voting:
https://m.stacker.news/49563
After voting:
https://m.stacker.news/49562
Looks fine to me.
ok
Thanks for showing me
Well, now I'm curious how it looks for you.
I can only see the poll results but I also created the poll
Yeah you can’t vote in your own poll. I think that’s how most polls work
lol
I was smoking crack
@k00b I can’t display my choice to select
Looks like there is a bug in polling or I made a mistake
not sure how people are voting
no - reparations is extortion
wasn't slavery...also extortion?
no
Extortion is the unlawful act of obtaining money, property, or services from another person through the use of force, threats, or coercion. It involves an illegitimate demand or request made by one party to another, often accompanied by a credible threat of harm, injury, or damage to the victim’s person, property, or reputation.
Slavery was lawful before 1865.
How would reparations necessarily be unlawful? If it's a law, that would make the act lawful, wouldn't it? Just like slavery itself before 186t?
Because you are forcing non slave owners to pay non slaves
There is zero moral justification for reparations. It’s simply extortion. I refuse to accept the premise that reparations are due. Agreeing to any plan, e.g., that Democrats would be the ones to pay, implicitly accepts that reparations are just. Such acceptance would undermine any moral foundation for the country’s legal system, which has already been significantly debased.
Justice is irrelevant to this discussion so far. If the country passes a law to compensate descendants of slaves, the act of using public money to pay that compensation would be legal, and therefore not extortion. The same as slavery, having been legal, was not extortion.
But before the country passes any laws legalizing reparations, demand for reparations is extortion
A demand is just an argument. That is not extortion.
tf are you tagging me in this? Neither you or me live in the US or know anything on the topic
Reparations is extortion. Slavery is not unique to USA.
I think they are due-if actions made against their person was made. Black folks are unfortunately more reliant on gov't assistant, but this is by design. They must be aware of the system. Then, file for SPC to become a private man/women, then justice against their person can be served if they still desire so.