0 sats \ 14 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 15 Aug \ on: Google is a monopoly. The fix isn't obvious tech
We've all ready been through this with Standard Oil, and Ma and Pa Bell. Solution is the same. The solution that won't work is what was tried with Microsoft.
Do you mean trust busting is the solution?
Do you believe Microsoft is still a monopoly?
Do you believe that monopolies are always bad?
reply
-
Yes.
-
Absolutely.
-
Generally. Power tends to corrupt.
reply
Is the government a monopoly?
Are power company monopolies bad/harmful?
How do you define a monopoly?
reply
-
It is supposed to be a representative Republic. If it is a monopoly, it isn't that.
-
To the extent number 1 is compromised, yes.
-
Monopoly -- A capitalist system in which there is no competition because the financial power is (unfairly) resting in the hands of a given corporation acting as a market.
reply
So if we all owned stock in Google would that make its "monopoly" just? We would all have ownership in a way that is similar to democracy right?
The state (government) is the invisible monopoly. It has monopoly over law and violence in its geographic borders. If you are I try to do what the agents of the state do we will be put in a dark cage. If another competing government attempted to grab some market share of the US citizens they would be met with violence. I consider that a monopoly. If you are a citizen in the US your only choice is to leave and pick another monopoly government to live under.
We can agree to disagree but I was curious. Seems like you hold the position taught in our government schools. Thank you for engaging honestly.
reply
So if we all owned stock in Google would that make its "monopoly" just? We would all have ownership in a way that is similar to democracy right?
That's a "representative monopoly" not a Republic. It violates my 3rd definition as there is no meaningful competition. (to google)
The state (government) is the invisible monopoly. It has monopoly over law and violence in its geographic borders. If you are I try to do what the agents of the state do we will be put in a dark cage.
It is if its laws are unjust. The states are supposed to be "Sovereign". The federal government is supposed to make sure the states do that in a way consistent with the Constitution.
If another competing government attempted to grab some market share of the US citizens they would be met with violence.
That's a government beholden to a monopoly which is not what it is supposed to do. (Constitutionally)
If you are a citizen in the US your only choice is to leave and pick another monopoly government to live under.
No, you could fight what you perceive to be an injustice in court. That's another option. You could also form a political thinktank or action group. That's another option. You could organize a group of people to peaceably protest. That's still another option. You could bombard your Representatives with letters or a petition. There are many forms of resistance if there is tyranny. Your position excludes all those options and adopts a "loser" mentality.
We can agree to disagree but I was curious. Seems like you hold the position taught in our government schools.
My perspective is based on the US Constitution, which I dare say, is not really taught in government schools.
reply
Don't misunderstand me.
I understand how the US system was designed to work. I think the framers had many good ideas. Republics are far better than centralized states. But none of that changes the fact that the state has a monopoly. And once you see that many of the problems in the current US system become more clear. Corrupt politicians are just an obvious side effect. Companies like Google use the state's monopoly power to create motes that make competition harder. The state finds it easier to work with a few powerful companies. The state is a centralizing force.
The beset solution to monopolies I've seen is to allow the free market to work. But that's hard to see because the markets are so manipulated by the state (being paid off by elites).
reply
A lie repeated often enough is still a lie.
reply
I used to believe all that you just espoused. The reality is that the individual's rights are trampled and the Constitution is powerless to stop that.
Then you have your truth. You believe in the power of monopolies. I don't.