1043 sats \ 21 replies \ @saunter 7 Aug \ on: Who Caused the Ukraine War? BooksAndArticles
This is such a bullshit. There was no real plans or actions for Ukraine to join NATO before 2022
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I thought Wikileaks had revealed in 2008 Bush's plan to extend NATO to Georgia and Ukraine which infuriated Moscow ("nyet means nyet") and led to Russian's action in Georgia and their interest in keeping Ukraine neutral which failed in 2014 when Yanukovich had to flee the country after the Maiden coup
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Ukraine was not neutral
You can't poke a bear then say the bear started it
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I said poke
Poke is more provocative than nudge
The instigator is NATO at this point; I believe Ukraine wants a ceasefire but then the NATO will cut off aid after destroying the country. Zelensky is being coerced and blackmailed by NATO.
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Did you read Wikileaks cable shared by @wingalt?
I love Wikileaks
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Nyet means nyet makes me laugh every fucking time
Thanks for sharing wikileaks cable, which the anti Russian crowd ( my guess is they are from the Baltic States) refuse to read because they are allergic to truth and fact
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who is GOR in the wikileaks transcript?
edit: William J Burns is the current director of CIA
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never mind
GOR = government of Russia
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Yes!
2008 Bucharest Summit also
edit: Can't beat primary sources, we are re-living history, 2008!
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2008 summit in Bucharest
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What was Maidan 2014 about if not NATO expansion?
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A color revolution orchestrated by the West
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You are incorrect
Yanukovich was deposed (coup) not voted out of office. "Legally, constitutionally voted out of office" doesn't happen in Ukraine.
Am I wrong?
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How was it a coup? There was a legal vote in a verhovna rada to impeach him. Learn the history before you judge
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Not arming enough for sure
There are 32 members in NATO
Only 6 have spent 2 percent of GDP on defense
Zelensky represents the will of the people?
Popular sovereignty does not exist in Ukraine or Russia. Let's get that myth out of the way.