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140 sats \ 18 replies \ @justin_shocknet 4 Jul \ on: BOLT 12 vs LNURL bitcoin
It's a scam pushed by shitcoiners to make lightning fragile and broken by making payments use Tor
it is not forcing anyone to use Tor. it is compared to Tor because it uses similar onion messaging and is somewhat slow. but to fetch several bytes of BOLT11 invoice does not require much bandwidth, so the comment is retarded.
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bandwidth has nothing to do with it, it's about latency and failure probability with every hop + the added round trips
Being even a little excited for a worse version of existing UX is what's retarded
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Granted, I did not test it yet, because I run LND. But having to configure and maintain a separate http server for LNURLs is not easy for most users.
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Sure lnurl sucks but that doesn't make bxlt12 good
Kind 21000 is king, see Lightning.Pub
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- does it create lightning addresses?
- I see Umbrel folder with docker-compose, but it is not in Umbrel store?
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It will serve Lightning Addresses / LNURL's, but you'd still need to reverse proxy and domain to it given how the LNURL spec works.... we do have a bridge but its not wired up yet for self-hosted pub's... the idea is to replace LNURL based Lightning Addresses with NIP05 based ones as they'd be trustless unlike LNURL due to the nature of Nostr event signing
Umbrel release is a WIP, the docker stuff has been worked on but we still need to wire up a localhost UI for Umbrel users before we can PR it to their store
Trying to get a lot done before Nashville for demo's
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I'm in when you make SN use it )
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Would be a perfect fit, and has been suggested by me and others. Unfortunately, SN caught wrapped-invoice mind virus in hopes that sounds sufficiently compliant to god knows who, and has already begun refactoring in that direction
The good news is that hooks in this will enable better Nostr based Lightning Apps, and with that we might see many differentiated "zapper news" clones of SN instead of new territories
Interesting to see deferents opinions
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Neither are "pushing it" afaik, that's a specific shot at the Fedimint stakeholders for whom it was built
I do know that Evan shares many of of my sentiments about it and has for awhile... but he's also expeditious with his users requests. He may still be a shitcoiner depending on what support Zeus gets for Taproot Assets :wink: @evankaloudis
Luke has engaged on the topic, but I can't find it because every Nostr client sucks and I don't remember exactly his response. I'm pretty sure they're backed by Jack, who also created Spiral and appointed one of the biggest clowns in Bitcoin to run that- who is a major (non-technical ofc) pusher of it... I'll chock that up to proximity of that one particular clown
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My information is that Zeus 0.9.0 will support BOLT-12*, and Ocean already implemented reward payouts over LN using BOLT-12: https://ocean.xyz/docs/lightning#blog-bottom_post.
AFAIU the "champion" for BOLT-12 at Ocean is an engineer (Vicenzo Palazzo) and I don't think he has any particular affiliation with Jack/Spiral.
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