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The bitcoin and cryptocurrency chatter in the political sphere just keeps ramping up. Personally, I see this as a good thing, a sign of things growing more and more normalized and mainstream. It also shows that bitcoin is no longer able to be avoided by those who, until recently, have loved merely snuffing it away as a tulip fad.
Namely, banks, Wall Street, and politicians are taking note and waking up. This is partly due to the fact that the financiers see money to be made. For instance, the turnaround on the Ethereum ETF was astounding. I'm not sure that anyone who is not on Wall Street or "inside the beltway" (i.e., Washington political insiders) knows exactly why the mood on the ETH ETF suddenly changed from, "No way, ain't happening," to, "Yes, it's happening, and it'll be approved by the end of the week." And it did.
The second reason I think the powers-that-be are waking up to bitcoin and crypto is that we the people are demanding they do so. It's becoming unavoidable to not pay attention. Intellectual property and innovation are being drained away from the U.S. (see meme below). People are taking notice and people are blaming politicians for this lack of legal clarity, protection, or outright aggression toward this intellectual property and innovation. Angry people means angry voters, and that gets the attention of vote-lusting politicians.
The well-worn "quote" of
  1. First they ignore you,
  2. then they laugh at you,
  3. then they fight you,
  4. then you win.
means we're squarely in stage 3. Wall Street seems to be warming up to bitcoin most quickly, probably because they see money to be made (witness the bitcoin ETFs and the miraculous turnaround on the ETH ETFs). Banks seem to publicly still be anti-bitcoin (they scared), though they're working the other side of the coin as well (witness Jamie Dimon's public comments and JPMorgan's involvement in the ETFs). And as far as politicians, well, we all know of Senator Elizabeth Warren and her "anti-crypto army." Phase 3. Personally, I think her stance is little more than a stunt pandering to her base, a freakshow with the aim of keeping her name in the news. The "bitcoin is a scam" line is an easy to digest clickbait trope that gets one's name in the headlines. And, that's it. The tripe about protecting the helpless, or those at the bottom of the income ladder, or whomever, is merely verbal cover for the pandering. If politicians really wanted to help the poor, they'd truly commit to an army battling inflation...the devilish thief that steals away everyone's earnings, especially those at the bottom of the income ladder. If they wanted to truly help those "living paycheck to paycheck," politicians would attack inflation with sound money policies instead of enacting policies that exacerbate and accelerate it, and thus hurt the poor more than anyone.
A third reason I think things are changing is that a growing number of these folks are waking up to the fact that they're realizing that bitcoin is unstoppable. Wholly frustrating to them, they're realizing it is beyond the control of their power-hungry souls. There is no off switch, Dave Ramsey, and Satoshi can't come back and erase it, Jamie Dimon.

Change of tune

So, when the bitcoin and crypto talk recently began to turn in the political sphere, this is a good thing right? We've all seen articles such as this one about Trump pandering to bitcoin and crypto voters. Trump seems to have warmed to bitcoin and crypto considerably since his presidency days. At least he says so.
Most of the things I've seen online have been akin to, "This is great! Bitcoin voters might decide the election and then we'll have a pro-bitcoin, pro-crypto presidency!"
I've been a bit surprised though at the push-back that has been "out there." More than a couple of people, some prominent people, have responded such as, "Don't believe any of it. Politicians will say anything to get votes. If he was pro-bitcoin, he would've done it when he was president." One person wrote something like, "Don't even participate in their voting. If you vote, you're just playing into their hands, a pawn they're moving around." We plebeians definitely don't hold the power, but I'm not sure what the alternative is.
A few things here: first, words like Trump's are politics. The default for all is to not believe. Secondly, I think this skeptical view is healthy. Frankly, it's the bitcoin way: don't trust, verify. Third, we've all been burnt many times over by politicians' words and their following actions. I think of going to the movies. In cinema there is the concept of the "voluntary suspension of disbelief"...the "contract" when stepping into the theater that says, "If you agree to entertain me, then I agree to forget that there's no possibility of a 100 foot tall gorilla climbing the Empire State Building and swatting helicopters." To a degree, we kind of expect this type of thing politically...we understand that politicians say anything, but also don't exactly expect them to follow through completely as stated.
Side note: I once heard a movie critic griping about "King Kong" the movie by making the point, "There's no way a woman can survive wearing nothing but a slinky night gown in the middle of the New York winter, of course she'd freeze to death. That's outlandish!" This complaint was being made despite the 100 foot gorilla is swatting helicopters in the background. I guess the slinky night gown suspension of disbelief was too much.

The question, then

I suppose my ultimate question is, "What would you prefer to hear a politician saying regarding bitcoin and crypto?"
  1. "It's all tulip mania, scammery, and needs to be totally banned today."
  2. "It's remarkable tech, sound money, and needs to be totally free to flourish."
  3. "It's a mix of terrific and scammery and we need to work with the good and squelch the bad."
  4. Nothing.
There's no question in my mind that the ultimate response by governments is going to be, "Bitcoin has a place, we just need to make sure everything is on the up-and-up." Effectively, that's what Trump said in the sentence:
I’m fine with it. I want to make sure it’s good and solid and everything else, but I’m good with it.
I totally get that there are nuances here. The "good and solid and everything else" implies regulation in some form. That, of course, is a spectrum of control from almost none to total CBDC surveillance money. Personally, I wish it would be regulated no more than anything else. In other words, regulated very little, but prosecute the criminals. Scammers and thieves using bitcoin and crypto should be punished for fraud and larceny, but don't punish the vehicle they use to commit the fraud or larceny. It doesn't matter if they did a phone scam or crypto scam, the crime is the fraud and larceny, not the tool, the telephone or computer. It's the same as murder by gunshot or murder by hammer, we prosecute murder regardless of the weapon. (And we don't ban hammers when a hammer murder occurs.)
Yes, Trump's earlier words were not pro-bitcoin. But, can't people change? Isn't "orange-pilling" and "going down the rabbit hole" a process? And, again, if not these words, what would you prefer that a politician say?
We bitcoiners hate to trust anything, but in the case of politicians' words during an election and their actions in office, there's no other way other than trust-and-then-see. And yes, ultimately, it is actions that matter, not words. The choice then is a candidate who openly says he's against bitcoin and crypto and favors regulation or a candidate who says he's "okay with" it.

Note: this isn't necessarily meant to be pro-Trump, I try to stay out of politics. This is just an umpire calling them like I see them, calling balls and strikes. In this situation, Biden/Warren are pitching balls and Trump is pitching strikes.
Trumpertarianism is s shitcoinery - see more here #553830 Trump is just another clown. Voting is only for dumb slaves.
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Who doesn't love @DarthCoin wisdom?
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All the best and most important lightning companies are based here in the US, the US is Lightning country
Wall Street
Bitcoin is many things, Banks love SoV because they can capture it... Means of Exchange would be the opposite of capturing it
It's the banks and wall streets we're fighting for MoE (which implies self custody and monetary velocity)
Trump's earlier words were not pro-bitcoin
"Thin air" was a direct shot at fiat, he knew exactly what he was saying would begin the education phase
Trump went to Wharton for Economics, and Westpoint, he is uniquely qualified to know that all wars are bankers wars
He also has Q-level clearance which includes knowing what the NSA has been up to regarding Bitcoin
We bitcoiners hate to trust anything
Trust the plan
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The bitcoin and cryptocurrency chatter in the political sphere just keeps ramping up. Personally, I see this as a good thing, a sign of things growing more and more normalized and mainstream. It also shows that bitcoin is no longer able to be avoided by those who, until recently, have loved merely snuffing it away as a tulip fad.
Indeed, this is a positive signal and one I've expected to happen as bitcoin knowledge spreads. It also happens when bitcoin is attacked by politicians and the other set of criminals see an opportunity to differentiate themselves.
her "anti-crypto army."
Its becoming clear this isn't much of an army. Being anti-crypto or anti-bitcoin isn't convincing anyone that they should vote for Warren that would be voting against her. I really don't think she' as bright as people think she is.
"Don't believe any of it. Politicians will say anything to get votes.
The reason so many say this is experience with politicians as well as Trump. Its how democracy works. All of them do it to some extent. Talk is cheap. There is little lost from broken promises. I like hearing things I agree with but until it happens I'm not getting very excited.
"It's remarkable tech, sound money, and needs to be totally free to flourish."
Talk is cheap but I think most of us would like to hear that. What really means something is action.
A key mistake people make with democracy is thinking that we need the politicians. We don't. They need us. They need votes and money to get votes. I wrote about this previously in "Don't put your hope in politicians". Politicians are leaches for the most part. There are maybe a few exceptions that try to do good work to dismantle the system but those people are rare.
Here's a thought I've had recently but haven't written about yet. When politicians know they have your vote they don't have any incentive to promise you anything. When you are in their back pocket you get no attention. If you think about this for a few minutes you can probably come up with some examples.
So what you say. Well, when people don't vote the party line they are up for grabs. When someone is a centrist they are up for grabs. When someone is dis-enfranchised they are up for grabs. Far to many people are easy. They don't have any conviction. They just roll over.
I think what you are seeing from many bitcoiners is the opposite. We've seen a thing or two. We've heard many promises before. Broken ones. We are dis-enfranchised with the whole situation. I recall Obama making bold promises about rolling back the Bush era crimes. Didn't really happen. I recall Trump making promises he didn't keep. Talk is cheap. Its even cheaper with the person talking to you is a politician.
IMO I am more concerned about people falling for a politician's promises than them being skeptical. We don't need them. They need us. They need our consent. If enough people removed that consent we'd see actual change.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 31 May
It's just propaganda, the elections are coming in the USA and if the socialist democrats are against bitcoin and they attack it. It is not surprising that his counterpart DT, who also advocates for freedom, the right to private property, among other things, says at this point that he supports bitcoin, in an Ace up his sleeve that he has brought out prior to the key months for the elections and additionally we are at high prices which makes bitcoin shine even more among people nocoiner's
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You might be 100% right.
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-> I suppose my ultimate question is, "What would you prefer to hear a politician saying regarding bitcoin and crypto?"
My personal preference is to have somebody who doesn't platform pump.fun token funsters and just rather holds, in privacy even if they desire, and defends the well-worn pathways that protect Bitcoin in its most important ways and properties. One can dream, right?
The Trump path is one more politicians around the world are exploring: if our country's financial markets make this one more plaything, and 0.1% of the geeks spend like 88% of their mental mindshare getting a routing node to work, that's a fair trade. The distinctive word for me is his regard for "crypto" rather than Bitcoin. I'm not going to say it's disfavorable to watch him shift from anti-Bitcoin to pro-crypto, but I don't think it's as good of a marker as some might think.
I do believe Trump's actions are actually more significant in weirder ways outside of this though in the "private" ways I marked - for example, if he keeps on appointing more anti-Chevron Doctrine judges. But I'm not sure if that's because he believes in those principles to protect against the overarching reach of executive agencies, or because he pushes his own accomplishments (getting as many judges as possible to the bench) with the actual details beneath him. Likely the latter, as his public statements seem to advocate for relatively expansive executive powers (though of course, he's known for his fights with the alphabet agencies).
In short, I'd prefer to hear a politician say:
"I hold Bitcoin, but I lost it in a boating accident."
I would prefer they govern in a way that fits that philosophy.
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"I hold Bitcoin, but I lost it in a boating accident." I would prefer they govern in a way that fits that philosophy.
Well said.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @LowK3y19 5 Dec
When will the banks learn? That’s there’s good money to be made in bitcoin
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I think they're learning. They're getting into the water inch by inch.
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No matter what they say, as long as they get out of the way and don't actively blocking it.. we are all better off... my new motto is "shut up and stack sats"...lol
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Athena 31 May
I believe it's just a political propaganda nothing else.
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Fair enough.
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"What would you prefer to hear a politician saying regarding bitcoin and crypto?"
My personal opinion if at matters I don't want any political drama to enter in the Bitcoin chorus. Because we're so close to elections in the US, all of these narratives regarding Bitcoin are erupting. Trump has to be pro crypto for now because Biden an co. are hugely seen as anti crypto hypocrites!
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Trump is just trying to buy votes. He is so desperate he is grasping at straws. He wants to be president so he can start giving out pardons.
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I work with a lot of politicians. What they say is true...they are all gay and retarded. Doesn't matter the country, race, gender, commie, democrat, beastiality, etc... They are all gay and retarded
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