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I have thought about how to do atomic payments to multiple parties at once over Lightning so much... thanks for laying out the problem space like this and theorizing a potential way Bolt12 could help do it. It's a really interesting idea.
What I struggle with when it comes to all these approaches is -- and this is coming from the perspective that the reason we need atomic split payments is so there is no custodial element when trying to pay multiple recipients simultaneously -- every participant still needs a stable, funded Lightning node for the payment to work at all. I think right now it is still way too difficult for most people to run their own node. And until that hurdle is cleared, non-custodial split payments don't gain most end users very much if those payments are ending up on a node they don't control anyway.
I'll have to read more into the blinded paths pattern in Bolt12. If anything it could serve as a good enough solution in the near future while nodes become easier to run over the longer term.
I have thought about how to do atomic payments to multiple parties at once over Lightning so much.
Glad to know I’m not crazy! I’ve been thinking about it for years and waiting for someone with a worthy spine to suggest it, but it’s never come up, and I need to know if I should fantasize about something else.
What I struggle with when it comes to all these approaches is -- and this is coming from the perspective that the reason we need atomic split payments is so there is no custodial element when trying to pay multiple recipients simultaneously
If there are multiple custodians it’s still useful to atomically split payments between their customers (and other self custodians).
This kind of thing definitely isn’t useful when there’s one or very few custodians, but I very much doubt that’s the future of lightning.
every participant still needs a stable, funded Lightning node for the payment to work at all
I think this is a hard problem to solve but I think it can be solved, especially when invoices and bitcoin script aren’t so primitive.
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