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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10 May freebie \ parent \ on: Atomic Split Lightning Payments, Hold Invoices, and Blinded Paths bitcoin
So why doesn't Bob just run a prism?
That's the actual problem that needs solving, Nostr offers incoming for this purpose.
Is it really though? What value do you put on it and have you calculated the costs? If so, at what cost is atomicity justified? If 50% of payments fail, is that acceptable when the alternative is 90% success?
Absorbing that cost comes down to a rationale, a fear based rationale that that leads to high time preference decisions to scam the regulator that inevitably backfire (unless you're Tether?)
So why doesn't Bob just run a prism?
Because prisms aren't atomic and without an api enabled wallet, multiple QR codes need to be scanned.
Absorbing that cost comes down to a rationale, a fear based rationale that that leads to high time preference decisions to scam the regulator that inevitably backfire (unless you're Tether?)
I'm doing it for atomicity and for receiver privacy.
Is it really though? What value do you put on it and have you calculated the costs? If so, at what cost is atomicity justified? If 50% of payments fail, is that acceptable when the alternative is 90% success?
I'd pay $1000/mo for something that provided atomicity if the alternative is no atomicity for free. I can't calculate the costs without trying to do it first.
If 50% of payments fail, is that acceptable when the alternative is 90% success?
No.
We've discussed doing a combination of wrapped invoices when we display QR codes and prism like many-invoices-for-many-recipients when they have a api enabled wallet attached, and it's very likely we'll do that. But I lack the foresight to know what's right before things have actually been attempted. I value my predictions of the future, and anyone else's, absent actual data, at near zero.
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Because prisms aren't atomic and without an api enabled wallet, multiple QR codes need to be scanned.
Atomic isn't a feature, it's a means to an end. No special wallet is needed with a prism, Bob's serving a normal invoice as is Carol. If anything the wrapping coordination takes API enabled wallet more than a prism.
I can't believe you have me making pro-prism arguments btw...
I'm doing it for atomicity and for receiver privacy.
Atomicity is not a feature. Carol is no more private than she would be with a Prism.
No.
So atomicity isn't the goal, getting payments from Alice to Carol while taking a piece is. You'd buy regulator insurance for $1000/mo over Atomicity given the option? So atomicity is another name for scamming the regulator.
I value my predictions of the future, and anyone else's, absent actual data, at near zero.
Sure if we conclude that predicting the future is an effort in futility, then why predict atomicity will sufficiently scam the regulator? We have no data to support that it will, could make the case for the opposite.