20 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 2 May \ parent \ on: Wasabi Wallet is shutting down its coinjoin coordination service bitcoin
Always use the 3 levels stash.
Think like a bank.
LN is the payment network.
Onchain is only the settlement, the cold storage.
https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/be-your-own-bank-en.html
I will send you 5000 sats over LN. Please find out the original UTXO, and how much other sats I have.
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Did you ever used MPP?
Open multiple channels with several nodes and do a MPP payment.
None of them will know where and how much you send.
Use multiple private nodes that allows you to open as many channels you want, not like Phoenix, Breez, Green that you can open only with a walled garden LSP.
Seems that you don't know too much about running private nodes and how to operate with them.
I personally stopped doing coinjoins after LN nodes software start being stable. I simply do not need to do it. All my cold stash is not touched, I only operate in the cache and spending level, as I described in above scheme. I don't have to touch that stash or move it.
And absolutely nobody will know about it.
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MPP doesn't stop your peers from getting information on how big your stash is. They know what UTXO's you used and can follow that back.
Private nodes and private channels don't solve that problem either. The likes of Chainalysis are certainly running nodes themselves, and finding ways to buy and steal data from nodes not run by them.
Coinjoin+LN is basic defense in depth. I always fund my channels from coinjoined funds.
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As I said: I will send you an amount of sats you want from my private LN node and you will not be able to find any UTXO from where are originated, not my stash, not my identity, nor where I live or from where I acquired those sats.
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You forgot to add L-BTC in the mix. Liquid swaps into Lightning are much cheaper and can be done trustless peer-to-peer with confidential on-chain transactions.
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Liquid is a crap. Read more here: #318849
Please stop shilling Blockstream failed experiment.
The only use case for liquid is ordinals crap.
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The narrative that liquid is crap because lightning is better is miopic. Lightning circular rebalancing exploits smaller nodes. It is parasitic. It relies on some folks down the food chain routing sats with negative net income. No wonder a lot of plebs got disappointed and shut down their nodes. Others sit with high fees and their channels barely flow.
Liquid is not a safe store of value, but a good temporary asset to acquire fron one peer and pass on to the next. The swap currently costs about 300 sats, and this will be reduced to 30 with the next upgrade. For a 5m rebalancing that is 6 ppm.
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+1
People also use liquid to balance their lightning channels
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