Lately we've been working to build out a suite of external wallet connections for stackers, and have already launched a few options for auto-funding and auto-withdrawing to date.
Just wanted to post a quick poll to see how many stackers have had a chance to try out these external wallet connections to date, and open the floor to feedback on them so far.
- Have you connected an external wallet to Stacker News yet?
- If so, how was your experience?
- What other external wallet connections would you like to see prioritized?
Only Auto-Fund4.5%
Only Auto-Withdraw17.9%
Both Auto-Fund & Auto-Withdraw10.4%
Neither Auto-Fund or Auto-Withdraw67.2%
67 votes \ poll ended
I still insist that these patterns are all backwards
A user concerned with consolidating or budgeting across accounts should do that from their wallet, that gives them a command center with a full view for larger directives than would be in scope for each individual app. It also obviates the online-ness issues.
Persistent LNurl-Withdrawal links is all SN needs for this, right now demo's break after they expire:
https://m.stacker.news/17777
Persistent withdraw links understandably need a UX tweak on the SN UI so they aren't accidentally sniped, but a simple warning and reveal click should do it.
We don't want to be a wallet; we don't want to be a custodian (in the long run).
We think you should connect your wallet to SN, not SN to your wallet.
So I think what you have in mind with persistent LNURL-withdrawal links is what actually would push us backwards: being more like a wallet or "source" as it seems to be called in Shockwallet.
Also, I don't see how persistent LNURL-withdrawal links have to be required for what you're showing. Can't you create withdrawals on the fly? If you simply need better API access for that, let us know.
What you've done though is exactly the opposite of you're stated objective.... you've now turned SN into a programmable wallet. The aligned pattern would be instead yielding to rules controlled by an independent wallet like ShockWallet.
Custodian labels is theater in this context tbf, it's a trusted budget and invoice transport no matter what you want to project it as- to regulators or otherwise. Getting trapped into narrative corners like that is no way to create better solutions.
The only standard way to withdraw on the fly afaik is a withdrawal link, which expires and therefore breaks after it's been connected. That's already standard you support that doesn't require all the overhead you just implemented to remain a trusted and centralized service
Sad, really sad that you still didn't get what really is Shock Wallet...
If I take too much out how am I supposed to zap you fine gentlemen?
that's what auto-funding is for 🤠
small private channel to stacker news, auto withdrawal and nwc set up with my node, working fantastically no fees involved. 🤙
few
the poor mans wrapped lightning invoice as i like to call it 😅
How about if you connect/login to SN through (for example) Zeus then you can ask " do you want to use this wallet for SN? and configure it automagically, that would be an awesome customer experience.... just saying...
Sorry, a bit confused.
I have configured nwc with my mutiny wallet. Does it mean I now have two wallets, including sn?
Where do I setup auto withdraw/fund?
Yes, you have now two wallets with separate balances: the balance in your SN wallet and the balance in your Mutiny wallet. When you zap or pay for something on SN, we try to pay from your SN wallet first since that always has zero costs and latency. If you don't have enough funds in your SN wallet, we fallback to your Mutiny wallet.
NWC currently only works for funding/spending so you basically already setup auto funding. You can setup auto withdrawals with the
receive onlymethods (LND or lighting address for now):https://m.stacker.news/17789
No. What for?
I've told SN several times: MAKE SN WALLET A LNDHUB WALLET.
IS THE BEST OPTION.
https://i.postimg.cc/c4fzycYQ/darth-advice.jpg
See #440909
it doesn't matter. Is a bad choice as it is now. Useless and complicated.
A LNDHUB account on the other side will be much easier to handle by a noob.
Who understand the risks of using a custodial account, knows very well what to do.
Who doesn't understand the risks... HFSP, those are negligible mass.
Using both, the auto withdrawal is great, would be nice if could do keysend with a message so I know the payments are for rather than just random little payments.
The nwc integration has not been the best, the UI is kinda janky with the payments, things aren't responsive and polls don't work very well. Often the pending payment thing will stay up forever even if it goes through
Yes, keysend messages would be great.
I use my node wallet, but it must be difficult with wallets like phoenix. Does SN recommend particular wallets? In my experience it's a little clunky even with my node.
any particular issues you faced while connecting your node?
It connected without an issue. There was an issue when I used it the first time (auto withdraw) The transfer occurred overnight when I was not on SN and I received the day's rewards. The funds were withdrawn from my SN wallet but did not seamlessly flow to my node wallet. I only had access to my node through Zeus at the time. I received some sort of prompt, at which point the sats appeared in the node wallet. I wish I took better notes to tell you exactly what occurred, but I needed to somehow affirmatively accept the transaction. I'll test it again if you like and let you know what happens.
All of sats I want to use here
I'm feeding my SN balance with Nostr Zaps, using my SN LN-Address
Not yet. I am comfortable leaving some sats in my SN wallet, its enough to play around with here.
that's because you still didn't learned how to use SN as a "coinjoin" mechanism...
https://i.postimg.cc/gcxk3nFs/Darth-BTC-laugh.gif
Makes perfect sense to use SN as coinjoin, thanks darth!
The Auto Withdrawal works really well!
I've changed it some and it was a fast change.
Great work.
LN address for receive was easy. It took me some time to set my NWC for sending but it finally worked. Did not have look with LNBits and LND though.
not yet 👀
what's holding you back?
good question, maybe because I don't withdraw so much, so it's not quite an urgent need... 👀
Haven't done it yet. Its pretty easy just to transfer out to my wallet whenever I need to.
Not yet, I still take too much time before I start using a feature
No. One of the things I like about Bitcoin is how I am in control and keep things simple & manual. Not hating on other people liking to have the option tho.
Btw it's still possible to keep ctrl+enter held down and comment multiple times per second. Quick way to drain you entire networth for people who have their wallet connected and have a jammed or buggy keyboard. @k00b
Lol I only withdrew once because my balance went orange and fired warnings so I made it green so we go again
Neither. The sats I get I zap back around.
I assume you already have the numbers for adoption, and this is mostly just a place to have discussions about why folks have or have not used the feature. Any chance the actual adoption metrics will be shared?
yeah this is mostly a venue for gathering feedback, as well as an educational post for the new stackers who didn't realize SN supported external wallet connections.
the goal is to make external wallet connections so good that everyone uses them.
I hope it is not a necessity and SN wouldn't take the few Sats I have on their platform
I’ve been meaning to. I have Exodus which I don’t like I think I want a Phoenix one. I plan to look into that soon!
Auto-withdrawal = Top up SN, and then send to Self-custody!
But considering to connect it soon.