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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb \ parent \ on: Excess mortality crisis in some parts of the world charts_and_numbers

I agree that you'd want to see pre and post, but the nature of "excess deaths" is that it should be zero on average. It's a measure of deaths above or below trend.

124 sats \ 8 replies \ @oliverweiss 20 Feb

Ok. Let’s see how the numbers go. For me, more striking is what happened in the years 2020-2022 than what’s happening now. Also I think a better telling picture would be looking at a yearly data relative to average of the previous five or so years to that year.

124 sats \ 4 replies \ @398ja OP 20 Feb

We know what caused the excess mortality between 20-22. We don't know exactly what's causing the current one, especially because governments are not cooperating. Anyway, we shouldn't have an excess death crisis post pandemic, on the contrary, considering the most vulnerable population had already died between 20-22. Also keep in mind that a huge chunk of those dying now are still young, which is concerning...

124 sats \ 3 replies \ @oliverweiss 20 Feb freebie

Also keep in mind that a huge chunk of those dying now are still young, which is concerning

I believe this was the case of a Spanish flu, wasn’t it? As far as I remember from a documentary, there was a second or third wave where young people were mostly killed by their own immune system (cytokines storms).

124 sats \ 2 replies \ @398ja OP 20 Feb freebie

I'm not sure, but aren't cytokines storms caused by the virus itself? In this case it's different because the pandemic is over, and we're dealing with non-covid related deaths. I'm not really very well equipped for a detailed discussion on these technical details, so hopefully someone with more credentials will chime in and clarify.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb

aren't cytokines storms caused by the virus itself?

They're an immune response, but not necessarily to the virus itself. In the case we're talking about, they could hypothetically be a reaction to spike proteins produced internally.

124 sats \ 0 replies \ @398ja OP 20 Feb

Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. Agree on the spike protein, I think that is what they're suspecting is indeed happening.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this is compared to the previous five years.

124 sats \ 1 reply \ @oliverweiss 20 Feb

What I mean is to compare 2024 to average of 2019-2023, then 2023 to average of 2018-2022.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb

Gotcha. I think that is the more conventional approach with excess mortality. It reduces noise quite a bit.