963 sats \ 21 replies \ @SimpleStacker 9 Feb \ parent \ on: Does the Economy Need Migrants? and related discussion econ
Within 6 I would say there's 6a and 6b
- 6a: Old fashioned xenophobia
- 6b: A fear that a distinct cultural identity will be lost
6b may be legitimate or illegitimate depending on how much a person values soft concepts like "culture". But personally I think liberal westerners are too quick to disregard the importance of culture. For example, I find it strange that everyone is allowed to be proud of their cultural heritage except Caucasians. As an Asian person myself, I greatly appreciate and cherish European culture and I would be very sad if the various European countries were to lose their distinct cultural identities.
In that sense, I consider myself slightly in the 6b camp. Or at the very least, I think this is something that is valued too little by the average western elite.
You become what you import
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It's interesting how closely this parallels the conversations we've been having about how to grow Stacker News.
I'm very much in the "proceed with caution" camp, because I don't want the culture we've developed here to be overrun with standard toxic internet behavior. I can certainly see why people feel that way about immigration, even if I don't.
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If you want to see name calling go to the thread a few days ago about msnbc. I called Rachel Maddow a lying lesbian which triggered at least one person
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That's just true, though. :)
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It’s disgusting how much money she makes
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I guess this is a shot at me. Another example why we can’t have a conversation about immigration and the rule of law
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Have we not been having a conversation about immigration all day?
You might be coming off a bit aggressive, but you've been making real points and you haven't called me any names yet. I'd say that's better than I'm used to on most social media platforms.
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Proceed with caution ⛔️
This is how everyone should think about immigration from third world countries
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Yes. I think this is the third rail, though. I never see it discussed.
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Any discussion about race or ethnicity is taboo
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Western elites are insufferable, some are evil, most are greedy and power hungry
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Voters should have a say who should and shouldn’t enter and how many per year
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You mean like language, should all Americans or residents in America be expected to speak and read English?
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Good point, I should have split those things up. It's a little more complicated to disentangle them for America, though, because of the widely held "melting pot" view of American culture.
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Melting pot is assimilation which is what many immigrants and their advocates oppose. Melting pot is the opposite of multicultural
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Right, but both cultures change as a result.
"Prepare to be assimilated. Your cultural and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own."
-Borg greeting
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The Hegelian dialectic view of assimilation
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Immigrants from third world countries refuse to assimilate. In fact many hate western culture however you define it
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Some do. Some don't. Your absolute statements are hyperbolic. That's not to say there isn't a real problem there.
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It’s not 50/50 as your statement implies
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Most do not. These are not immigrants who passed thru Ellis Island
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