292 sats \ 22 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 18 Dec 2023 \ on: SN Foundry- A spot for Territory Founders meta
Sure! Sounds great!
Now, question to other territory owners.
Have you seen an uptick or a downtick in engagement on content since territory inception? Eg. Have you noticed decreased engagement? Are posts being drowned out? How do you feel that could be addressed? Increase in post fees for territory? Or other means?
Initially an uptick but the past week I would say a bit of a downtick on the daily posts. No change really to the pick 'ems and live game chats.
I am trying to ensure I engage and zap stackers that post in the territory.
I think this is the wild west phase and there is more activity on SN than prior to territories but also a ton more content. I have missed a couple posts that I usually follow and I know a couple people mentioned to me about missing posts of mine.
It's a deluge right now but it should calm down.
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I've been doing the same, trying to zap every post in the territory. But some days nothing gets posted... Except Jerry's daily.
If I were to compare the Music Territory as an example to the Meta takeovers, I feel the meta takeovers got much more engagement than the same content inside a territory.
I have also oddly noticed (and I mentioned this on a different thread a week or so ago) that I'm seeing new names but also very small zaps, like 1sat zaps and things, which is great because it's probably new users! who just haven't yet become comfortable with spreading the sats about.
So I'm wondering and I'm going to use the analogy of old radio stations back in ye olde times when there was only 1 or 2 stations. Before hand you had to wait all day/week to listen to your favourite bits, now you got a dedicated station you can dip in and out of whenever. So it would seem the engagement is less consolidated perhaps?
Sorry for the long one, was kinda thinking out loud.
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I feel the meta takeovers got much more engagement than the same content inside a territory.
While this may well be true (if only we could measure engagement more easily/accurately?), the cause may not be solely the introduction of territories.
For example, it's quite possible that the novelty of a particular meta takeover would have worn off over time anyway. So moving the topic to its own territory introduces just enough friction for its participants to not bother 'joining' the territory. Which is kinda what happened in my case. (I guess this makes me part of @siggy47's "anti territory contingent", although I only learned about the contingent in this thread, lol.)
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I think measuring engagement is always tough as it's not as cut and dry as to how many people interacted. But I think perhaps like mentioned above with the old radio stations analogy... It could be that engagement or at least interaction was much more consolidated, now with a whole territory, the interaction is more spread out.
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It's hard to gauge. To your point when I was doing meta takeover I was essentially running a territory within meta but there were no other territories competing for attention at the time.
I think it is just a deluge of content right now as territories pop up and people try to fill them. It will die down, we will have territory attrition. I have already heard from founders saying they won't continue their territories because it doesn't make sense to pay 100k sats a month to make 2k sats back in territory revenue. I expect in some cases multiple territories will combine into one (maybe health, fitness become one, or earth/outdoors become one, etc).
Within a couple months we will see which territories will have staying power and committed founders and which ones don't. I also think a couple months of data will guide k00b on how they move forward with territories, if the home page layout needs to change etc.
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Good points. Once new stackers realize that miserly zaps and hoarding sats is counterproductive to earning here things will improve.
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For sure, it's a very odd concept to wrap your head around. You're trying to stack sats right? So surely you'd want to keep as many as you've got no? But actually to maximise returns you gotta spread them out. It's a unique environment. I think SN is seeing people come over from Nostr where you commonly get single digit zaps or no zaps, here, if someone's taken the time to reply to me or comment on my posts, they're getting zapped, along with anything I see that I like but have nothing to contribute to with a comment.
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That's what makes this place so goddamn special
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Couldn't agree more.
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My experience is similar. You brought up an excellent point about engaging and zapping visitors to your territory. I think it's a good investment that will increase engagement. I was neglecting this at first.
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Engagement is increasing, even without me posting, but not by much (small sample size). I'm hoping the end of this week I will have more time to get some quality posts up.
When more features get added (cross-posting and tagging, territory maps(!), pinned posts, some kind of post that is permanently editable maybe?), we'll all see much more engagement.
Keeping my post costs at 10 for now.
Just really excited in general!
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Glad to hear you're doing well!! Keep at it!
Cross posting could be interesting, but perhaps coming at it from a Music point of view, might be tough to find other territories that the post is relevant to to cross post to. Except perhaps movies for music in movies 🤔 think I might have stumbled upon an idea for a collaboration... ~Movies @brandonsbytes ?
Oh and @grayruby I'm coming at ya for February superbowl halftime show collaboration post!
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Yeah I'll definitely be cross-posting between those two, my favorite music is film scores haha!
One I am eyeing for sure is ~AMA (good call there @benwehrman!), I think that's a pretty universal I figure we'll all end up collabing with.
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Thanks!
I've been scheming hard about how we can make AMA as awesome as possible. I'm confident that on top of being a great value-add for seasoned stackers, it could also be a prime on-ramp for bringing more bigger names onto SN (as I described here)
Once the Territory infrastructure is a bit more built-out, I'll be game for just cold-DMing big-name bitcoiners on Twitter, and offering that they come over and do them!
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Aside from spamming ~UFOs with "Doctor Doctor" by UFO daily I think we'll struggle to put a cross post together with each other. But never say never! 🤔
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Here you go!
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Did not see Blink 182 coming haha! 🤣 Well played!
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Cross posting is interesting as long as people aren't cross posting everything everywhere. Maybe the cross posting fee needs to be 1,000 sats or something significant.
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Yeah I was thinking maybe the territory owner sets the price to cross post there, since it's their territory. And some sort of exponential increase might be good too. Introduces interesting choices and game theory for posters and territory owners.
Definitely should cost something significant, since more eyes will be on it once people can start moving to the territories they want and seeing only that content.
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Not a bad shout, want to minimise the amount of spam essentially. Don't want people putting anything tenuous into other territories. But what are your thoughts on territory collaboration posts. Eg superbowl half time thread Stacker_Sports + Music? One territory hosts the other has a Crosspost or even just a single post with a link to the main post. However works.
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How about a post about why the superbowl halftime show doesn't have bands anymore. It is always pop artists now. Although I did like the halftime show a couple years ago with Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50 cent etc. Last years with Rihanna was awful. And Usher this year? Not interesting at all.
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I don't see why not, my original intent was kinda just a post for people to talk about the half time show (and compare it to others) from a show/music point of view, but I can see topics coming up like that for sure. Shakira & JLo was a good one, but I agree Rihanna was dull, the hip hop/rap greats was fantastic. But as for bands, the problem is some bands aren't good either, like Coldplay. That wasn't interesting, but the wknd was entertaining. Superbowl halftime can be so hit or miss.
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