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25 sats \ 4 replies \ @benwehrman OP 16 Dec 2023 \ parent \ on: I've been incredibly deep in the Carnivore Diet rabbit hole recently - AMA AMA
(The answer is no 😉 Every species, including humans, has a single optimal diet. Now certain individuals have slightly differing sensitivities/ability to sway slightly outside of that diet without experiencing as many negative effects, but that doesn't mean it's optimal.)
This is true on the thousands-of-years-back time frame. I, and other carnivores, tend to lean toward looking at the millions-of-years-back time frame, before the agricultural revolution began. This is key, because we believe that the introduction of plants was the variable that started screwing things up for modern humans, and we must look a bit further back than that for the true key to our optimal human form. Check out this presentation for a more in-depth explanation of this.
I have not heard of a single case where someone had better health outcomes, regardless of condition, on a plant-inclusive diet vs. a strict carnivore diet. All cases where people say "pLaNtS mAdE mE bEtTeR" are cases when people are coming from a place of shitty processed foods, so of course they see some improvement, but they NEVER try the carnivore diet as well. Once they do, they NEVER go back. But like I said, if you know of any strong testimonials of folks that have, I'd be happy to check it out.
Why not? I believe we should continue to strive toward reaching peak optimal form, so we can bring modern society to its happiest, healthiest possible potential. And building off my earlier point, I haven't seen any cases where anyone has achieved better health outcomes by adding plant matter back into their diet after going full carnivore, which to me, is pretty damn good evidence that carnivore is indeed the best human diet.
Absolutely. There's an ongoing war of information on this topic all across the internet, as you could expect, because people get very emotionally-attached to their dietary habits. But consistently, as I dive into the background/motivation behind the people on different sides of this debate, I continue to find that the carnivore "team" has simply done the greater amount of homework, and have an answer for every FUD point there is. (Very similar to Bitcoiners in a fight with crypto people; the more you research, the more it starts to look like a fight between adults and children who don't really understand what they're talking about.) This is all based on my own observations and amateur psychological analysis skills of course, so take that with a grain of salt, but I trust my researching skills, and I simply get more convinced of carnivore's superiority the more time I spend researching it.
Hope that answers your questions! Appreciate the skepticism, always!
Thank you! So in your view based on your research humans are not omnivores but carnivores?
So we evolved from monkey like creatures that almost only ate fruit. More recently from ape like creatures that only ate plants and bugs. And, then a few million years ago we started becoming carnivores, I assume because of the pressures of the Ice Age which forced us to consume animals (hunting is a dangerous and difficult task). And the reason we don't have carnivore teeth is because we didn't hunt animals down with our jaws but with our spears, and then cut them up with our premordial axes, and cook them on fire. I guess it's plausible.
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Yep! This presentation breaks it all down in a bit more detail; highly recommend watching it
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Don't worry, Dr Chaffee has an answer for that.
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People not protective/ attached to dietary habits. They are attached to their addictions and inability to accept the idea that they could be wrong.
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