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1225 sats \ 4 replies \ @okpj 14 Nov 2023 freebie
Have you tried using gold now? Getting it for spot is difficult, trading it for spot is difficult, verifying it’s authenticity is difficult without expensive equipment, and most of it is just purchased from governments who have spent the last 5000 years fooling people into trading it in for worthless (since the 70s, arguably earlier) coupons.
I used to believe in precious metals as a store of value but they have so many issues, and all of the issues are only going to get worse. You only need to get scammed once to lose faith in it, and if the only trusted sources of precious metals are businesses/governments it’s next to useless for p2p.
https://m.stacker.news/4931
The most affordable way to verify gold, an XRF, said this bar was real. What you see in there is tungsten. As the price of gold rises in fiat terms, creating fakes because more cost effective.reply
100 sats \ 1 reply \ @gmd 14 Nov 2023
If we're at the point where we're trading gold on the streets, I'm guessing the shady post-apocalyptic pawnshop guy is going to really lowball their offer for your gold bars for these reasons...
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99 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 19 Nov 2023
I think we already live in the mad max world already, but normies can't see it yet.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bullen 15 Nov 2023
I totally agree. However, gold coins are better to use than bars.
They're much harder to fake. For example, if it's a tungsten coin, it won't pass a "ping test" since it wont ring like gold does.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023
True Britishhodl made this point recently on his YouTube channel. Physical gold settlement takes a 20% cut.
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838 sats \ 0 replies \ @benthecarman 14 Nov 2023
Yes, it is great for electronics just too expensive, after bitcoin demonetizes it there will be a mini revolution in computing power because of it
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166 sats \ 9 replies \ @nerd2ninja 14 Nov 2023
Is gold used right now?
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21 sats \ 4 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023 freebie
Central banks use it, especially since 2019.
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @nerd2ninja 14 Nov 2023
I'd say how its used right now is how it will continue to be used. How its used right now is pretty irrelevant to what we're trying to do with Bitcoin
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023
I think so, at some point. Maybe it will be used for larger transactions where on chain fees are high or there is no enuts/ecash/chaumian mint available.
I don't really know, which is why I asked this.
In a gold mining town in Venezuela, gold is used for retail. But that's an edge case. Perhaps it will be used in places without a tech infrastructure, for example in those Caribbean islands where coconuts are currently used as currency.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 14 Nov 2023
i dont think both are related,
Gold have its own uses and even if btc is overextended, we dont have to stop using gold,
there are several uses, and store of value is included,
even in hyoper bitcoinization gold will be there as another store of value
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023
I think a better question would have been: will gold be used more than it is now as a currency in a hyper-bitcoinized world.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 15 Nov 2023
Yes, by central banks. They just keep it secret how little they have. There are also billionaires with substantial amounts of gold in warehouses.
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408 sats \ 1 reply \ @jgbtc 15 Nov 2023
A warehouse vs a cold card. Those poor bastards don't stand a chance.
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408 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 15 Nov 2023
Yeah, I can really see bitcoin eating the gold market.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Nov 2023
in many electronics yes. And that is the ONLY use case.
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96 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Nov 2023
I think it might be, along with silver. There are a lot of people who value cash transactions, for a whole host of reasons. I don't see Bitcoin meeting all of their needs.
So, once fiat is killed by Bitcoin, gold and silver might fill the niche that cash currently occupies.
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1 sat \ 1 reply \ @DeltaClimbs 14 Nov 2023
🤡
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48 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Nov 2023
Great point!
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84 sats \ 1 reply \ @Majere 14 Nov 2023
Bitcoin backed gold silver & copper coins. Now there's a fun thought.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023
Perfectly kyc-free, assuming you self custody the gold!
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @027067d654 14 Nov 2023
No, more and more commerce is conducted over the internet. Gold bars were a pain to use centuries ago - how exactly do you think they will be used in the future - to pay for API access, to stream value for value, to buy video games and music?
Gold has a large monetary premium and its supply increases every year with no practical upper bound. If the price rises more, more gold mines become economically viable increasing the supply faster.
Gold used to be the densest metal available, but now tungsten is cheap and widely available, making fakes that are harder to detect.
Gold's time has clearly passed - it will be relegated to the same role as silver, platinum, etc.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @lightwalker 14 Nov 2023
https://m.stacker.news/4938
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @bitcoin_rationalist 14 Nov 2023
Yes, but it will only be one person: Peter Schiff.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023
Lol yes the gold salesmen will always be using it. 😁
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @piecover 14 Nov 2023
I think so, even if it's just a few boomers it will still exist and thats okay, bc the problem is fiat not gold
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 14 Nov 2023
No. Or at least not more than it is used now. Use in jewelry or electronics might stay the same.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitSapien 15 Nov 2023
No. Bitcoin is technologically superior to Gold. It will suck the monetary premium out of it over time. Gold will fall to its utility value.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 15 Nov 2023
Not as money.The trusted 3rd party and auditability problems with gold are unsolvable. Bitcoin has neither of these issues. Gold will finally realize it's true potential as jewelry and in electronics.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitByBit21 14 Nov 2023
Check this recent episode of Blue Collar Bitcoin with Luke Gromen, where he makes the case for the potential use of gold alongside with Bitcoin from a macro point of view:
https://fountain.fm/episode/Nn8Jf1jWX4D1Ne9ohGBl
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @fredosha 14 Nov 2023
I think the world will go back to precious metals as currency backers.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 14 Nov 2023
I actually think wouldn't be surprised if they using gold as a component of whatever new world reserve currency they try to design.
Play the long game. We win in the end but it's going to be a long, challenging road.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Nov 2023
shiny rocks will be used only to make the bitcoin devices electronics...
funny that the post is coming from a "Goldberg"...
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 19 Nov 2023
well I grew up "poor". Poverty is a mindset.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 14 Nov 2023
I'd say most likely.
I saw recently that world internet adoption is only 60-70%. That means we aren't there yet. Gold (although inferior to BTC) won't just go away with around 5k year network effect. Also its tied up in culture & religion so it might take a while.
If it takes 100 years to get hyperbitcoinization then maybe gold will go back to being a legacy jewelry.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @025738dda8 14 Nov 2023
How would you pay in mountains where there is no electricity and no internet? I believe that there is always some need for physical form of money.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Neo 14 Nov 2023
No.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 14 Nov 2023
Gold is used in industrial and electronics products. And gold mining has no limit- which means it’s stock to flow ratio will continue to get weaker over time and its monetary Premium will eventually evaporate completely
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @joyepzion 14 Nov 2023
Bitcoin don't need elements to survive, it is in its own element ~ Hope it makes sense
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 14 Nov 2023
No, lol
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @td 14 Nov 2023
Mate, care to expand?
Posting clown emojis like a child conveys nothing and are a definitive example of not bringing any value to what could be a fertile ground for people to learn something. SN might have it as well but the Hacker News "Guidelines" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) are a pretty good guide of how to behave over there and it's created an incredibly valuable space over the last 15 years.
Maybe you're right but I certainly don't think so. The fact that gold has pretty much maintained the same value (can buy the same amount of food/clothing) for thousands of years is pretty compelling. Maybe the digital age has changed that but 15 years of Bitcoin has yet to change my opinion.
I understand you're intentionally trolling but it's f-ing annoying! 😂 I think it is stupid, turns potentially valuable allies off and cheapens this whole space.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DeltaClimbs 15 Nov 2023
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqfK0vwbPFrsJTb3AOJVBXZbDR1SX99jW-T1ttM6LW&s
When you want to know the truth, it will be available to you. Until then, I will not attempt to perturb your circlejerk of the most moderate and reasonable takes beyond my minor comments that you are free to ignore. You are a reasonable person, but I am not.
I do not care to correct noob thoughts or "debate" them. Usually, with these sorts of questions, someone else will inevitably post the correct answer.
"The fact that gold has pretty much maintained the same value (can buy the same amount of food/clothing) for thousands of years is pretty compelling." Another very foolish thought.
You know who loves decorum? -- the fiat world.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @td 15 Nov 2023
So not long until the people murder the Romanov family?
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99 sats \ 0 replies \ @IanMalcolmPhd OP 14 Nov 2023 freebie
I think a better question would have been: will gold be used more than it is now as a currency in a hyper bitcoinized world.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 14 Nov 2023
Yes, gold has been used for millennia, and unless something unthinkable happens, it will continue to be used.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DeltaClimbs 14 Nov 2023
Have fun staying stupid
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 14 Nov 2023
A Portuguese comedian once asked: Would you rather eat feijoada at every meal for the rest of your life or drink one vodka stirred with his penis ? 😂
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @scottathan 14 Nov 2023
Yes
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 14 Nov 2023
🤡
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 14 Nov 2023
Gold will be around for ages
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 14 Nov 2023
🤡
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @owleyedapprentice 14 Nov 2023
i could see this at least on a transitional level, as fiat collapses.
especially if the bitcoin network is attacked by CBDC-entrenched entities, gold is a good fallback during the messy phase of the transition.
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